Originally posted by greenpawn34Are you trying to suggest that after all the analysis you've done on Skeeter's methods that now it is simply because she has no beard ? If that's the case I'm off to boost my rating down the salon with an S ( just for Robbie this one's the chess content ), B and C.
"....mucking about drilling cores in the sea bed and the ice cap....reduce the wind chill...."
What a lot of tosh. He's grown a beard 'cos he's ugly.
Steinitz was the only world champion who had a beard when he held the title
(thought I'd better stick in some chess content.)
So Steinitz was ugly as well. (not a bad chess player though.)
Lask einitz amd Fischer three players lost the world title and got it back.
Name all three.
Originally posted by greenpawn34Of course it's cos I'm ugly! That is why wifey made me promise never to shave again. I keep threatening to let it grow to ZZ Top proportions but that just produces threats involving garden shears.
"....mucking about drilling cores in the sea bed and the ice cap....reduce the wind chill...."
What a lot of tosh. He's grown a beard 'cos he's ugly.
Steinitz was the only world champion who had a beard when he held the title
(thought I'd better stick in some chess content.)
So Steinitz was ugly as well. (not a bad chess player though.)
Lask ...[text shortened]... einitz amd Fischer three players lost the world title and got it back.
Name all three.
Originally posted by Fat LadyMenchik was the first Women's World Champion and still held the title when she died in a V1 attack. She never lost the title so it can't be her who is the third answer to GP's question. I reckon it must Bykova who was champion 1953-1956, lost it to Rubtsova in1956, regained the title in 1958 and held it until defeated by Gaprindashvilli in 1962.
I think you are forgetting about Vera Menchik.
(For those who are hard of thinking, this is a clue to Greenpawn's quiz question)
So Alekhine, Botvinnik, Bykova.
Originally posted by DiophantusThat was my guess, though I had to look up Bykova's name - for me the first Women's World Chess Champion worthy of the title after Menchik was Gaprindashvili. Since then they've been excellent. Of course Mr Pawn might have been including Botvinnik twice.
So Alekhine, Botvinnik, Bykova.
Originally posted by Fat LadyBotvinnik twice? Presumably once without beard and then once with beard.
That was my guess, though I had to look up Bykova's name - for me the first Women's World Chess Champion worthy of the title after Menchik was Gaprindashvili. Since then they've been excellent. Of course Mr Pawn might have been including Botvinnik twice.
Alekihine, Botvinnik and Euwe.
The clue was in 'got it back' not 'won it back.'
After Alekhine passed away FIDE took over the title and awarded it to
Euwe as he was last holder of the title still alive.
There was even a provisional match arranged between Euwe and Resevsky.
The following day Russia joined FIDE and they squashed the idea of giving
it to Euwe.
That's from the Oxford Companion but Winter disputes the minutes of FIDE.
Euwe is on record a few times as saying;
"I was world champion for one day in 1947.”
Russia's weight influenced everything after that.
They virtually picked the players who would play in 1948 world title tournament
making sure Najdorf would not get in.
Najdorf who was close to his peak then and should have been allowed in but he
made the mistake of beating Botvinnik in the last round of Gronigen 1946.
Saying before hand he was going "pluck Botvinnik like a chicken" and bet
500 guilders (Dutch money) with Flohr, that he would win and he did.
(Apparently Botvinnik was furious, even playing on for a few moves though a piece down.)
Kotov too beat Botvinnik in Gronigen 1946 and this beating of a fellow Russian
whilst he was tournament favourite was frowned upon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groningen_1946_chess_tournament
The simply reason maybe that "....nobody had told him not too!"
(A mistake on the part of the Russian 'backroom boys' they would not let
this happen again.)
Kotov redeemed himself by luckily beating Euwe. Euwe made a blunder
in a drawn postion whilst Borvinnik was being plucked like a chicken so
Botvinnik won the tournament.
There were some sinister movements going on the background of the 1948 world
title tournament but I doubt if Botvinnik himself had anything to do with it.
Keres admitted many years later that he was not told 'not to beat Botvinnik.'
He was told that Botvinnik 'should not lose to him.'
In their last game when Botvinnik had won the tournament Keres
simply blew him off the board.
Najdorf was considered a threat, at Gronigen '46 he finished 4th= his score
v the Russian players taking part was was better than any other non-Russian
P5 W2 D3 L0.
Fine pulled out of the World Title tournament offering his place and fully expecting
Najdorf to take part. Russia refused to let him in.
Originally posted by greenpawn34frickin' bastards
Alekihine, Botvinnik and [b]Euwe.
The clue was in 'got it back' not 'won it back.'
After Alekhine passed away FIDE took over the title and awarded it to
Euwe as he was last holder of the title still alive.
There was even a provisional match arranged between Euwe and Resevsky.
The following day Russia joined FIDE and they squashed the idea ...[text shortened]... place and fully expecting
Najdorf to take part. Russia refused to let him in.[/b]
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Originally posted by greenpawn34Well. He may have said that, in jest, but there is no indication that he (or anyone else, for that matter) ever took it seriously. In fact, Euwe himself was one of the great instigators against handing the title back to him, and behind the idea of the 1948 tournament. In fact...
Alekihine, Botvinnik and Euwe.
The clue was in 'got it back' not 'won it back.'
After Alekhine passed away FIDE took over the title and awarded it to
Euwe as he was last holder of the title still alive.
There was even a provisional match arranged between Euwe and Resevsky.
The following day Russia joined FIDE and they squashed the idea ...[text shortened]...
Euwe is on record a few times as saying;
"I was world champion for one day in 1947.”
They virtually picked the players who would play in 1948 world title tournament making sure Najdorf would not get in.
Najdorf who was close to his peak then and should have been allowed in but he made the mistake of beating Botvinnik in the last round of Gronigen 1946.
... in fact, he traveled to South America to get Najdorf into it, with an unfortunate lack of results.
(Oh, and it's Groningen, not Gronigen. I ought to know, my family is from that province.)
Saying before hand he was going "pluck Botvinnik like a chicken" and bet 500 guilders (Dutch money) with Flohr, that he would win and he did.
That was a decent amount of money at the time, by the way.
Fine pulled out of the World Title tournament offering his place and fully expecting Najdorf to take part. Russia refused to let him in.
That's one half of it. The other half is that (according to the official tournament book) the USA chess organisation wasn't well-chuffed with the choice of Fine and Reshevsky (for inter-organisational political reasons, mainly - they weren't consulted on the choice) and didn't want Fine to play in the first place. They'd rather have sent Denker, or Kashdan. Who here has heard of Kashdan? I hadn't.
Richard
Originally posted by Shallow BlueI have. He was a seriously good player - try going through some of his games on chessgames.com.
Who here has heard of Kashdan? I hadn't.
I saw a clip of him once on a quiz show called "You Bet Your Life". Groucho Marx was the quizmaster and insisted on calling "Ashcan" all the way through. They looked remarkable similar, and Groucho made a comment about that as well.
Having said that, I would have thought that Kashdan was past his peak after WWII.
Hi Shallow Blue.
I'm reading the details from Najdorf's book 'Life and Games.' it goes into
great detail about the sad episode and gives sources.
No mention of a Euwe trip to South America just an interview from
Najdorf at that time stating in his words that he is no or worse or better
than any of the players chosen to take part in the Workd Championship
Tournament citing Botvinnik, Fine, Euwe, Keres, Reshevsy...
He wanted in that tournament and goes on to give how he would prepare for
the event should he be allowed in.
The Najdorf book reads quite fair as it states after all the Groningen shenanigans
that even if Najdorf had been allowed to take Fine's place then it would have
made little difference to the winner.
Adding that Botvinnik, Symslov, Keres and Reshevsky were far strong players
at the time than Najdorf.
The only official account I have of the tournament is Golombek's book of the 1948 match.
He was not at the whole match. He was there in Holland but for what ever reason
he was refused a Russian visa for Moscow so had to be content with match bulletins.
Golembek writes in April BCM 1948.
"The omision of Najdorf from the chosen six was a blunder of
considerable magnatude by FIDE...."
Originally posted by greenpawn34It is possible that Golombek did not go to Moscow because of his wartime work at Bletchley Park. The Russians may have viewed him as dubious because of the secret nature of his work or the British may have prevented him going as a security risk.
Hi Shallow Blue.
I'm reading the details from Najdorf's book 'Life and Games.' it goes into
great detail about the sad episode and gives sources.
No mention of a Euwe trip to South America just an interview from
Najdorf at that time stating in his words that he is no or worse or better
than any of the players chosen to take part in the Workd Cha ...[text shortened]... on of Najdorf from the chosen six was a blunder of
considerable magnatude by FIDE...."
While at Bltchley, Golombek worked with Turing and often played chess with him. Golombek was apparently so much stronger than Turing that he would play until Turing resigned and then turn the board around and beat Turing again from the lost position!
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