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    @divegeester said
    Please my post above on the meaningless of “socialism” as a label.

    It’s a bit like Conservative vs Labour labels in the UK; Labour as a label for the party has become increasingly less of a banner for the working class because the working class and indeed the class system under which “Labour” was formed, doesn’t exist anymore. At least not in a recognisable form.

    ...[text shortened]... ghlight Tory incompetence.

    Cut the 45% tax threshold, jeez what on earth was Truss thinking SMH.
    Socialism is a political philosophy. And in essence has nothing to do with political parties.
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    @divegeester said
    While you are busy defending your stupid labels you’re losing elections everywhere.

    Go figure.
    Those "labels" are the actual meaning of words. As for "losing elections" Biden is in office and Dems hold the majority in both houses of Congress.

    Do some research before posting.
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    @divegeester said
    The main trigger for the mobilisation and rise the far right groups in Europe is mass dissatisfaction with uncontrolled migration. Control your borders and you’ll control and minimise the tendency to back their representatives.
    Well it’s usually mass privation coupled with uncontrolled immigration. Unless a society is fundamentally xenophobic to the point of racist then if there are enough resources to go around immigration is much less of a recruiting sergeant for the far right.
    Germany in the post wwi era did not suffer from uncontrolled migration in any way. The truth is the ideological extreme right will seize on any grievance ( real or imagined ) to corrode normal civic unity.
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    @divegeester said
    No, I think border control is without doubt the main contributing factor to the rise of the extreme right factions in parts of Europe. Border control is critical and as I’ve been saying here for years, the “free movement of people” policy will be the undoing of the EU.

    Your example here is what, it’s just an example of some racists being racist.
    Border control is merely a breaking-of-the-dam; right-wing factions and all the racism, nationalism, etc., that comes with it have been brewing for years in Europe. It's no different from Trump and his border wall emboldening the white supremacists to speak out.

    Border control is just a catalyst; it doesn't create right-wingers, which have been festering in Europe this whole time.
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    @divegeester said
    The main trigger for the mobilisation and rise the far right groups in Europe is mass dissatisfaction with uncontrolled migration. Control your borders and you’ll control and minimise the tendency to back their representatives.
    "Brexit wasn't about racism."
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    @shavixmir said
    Stalin was a dictator.
    His policies are best described as: state capitalism.
    Nah, that's modern China. Stalinism was a mere totalitarian personality cult.
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    Just noticing that this thread that's not about the USA was created by an American.
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    @wajoma said
    You think state capitalism is a form of capitalism, even though every definition smacks you about your tiny balls and every single non-stupid person on this site has rammed the truth up your poop chute.

    geddit shag doody, fell for the bait ijit. Did you see which post I was replying to, I can use your own stats against you, I can use your own posts against you. Like shooting babies in a blender.
    Except I am correct, backed up by every encyclopedia. And you are wrong and not.

    See the difference?
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    @vivify said
    Border control is merely a breaking-of-the-dam; right-wing factions and all the racism, nationalism, etc., that comes with it have been brewing for years in Europe. It's no different from Trump and his border wall emboldening the white supremacists to speak out.

    Border control is just a catalyst; it doesn't create right-wingers, which have been festering in Europe this whole time.
    The rise of the extreme right wing is trigger by uncontrolled immigration. You can renationalise it anyway which suits your ideology.
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    @shallow-blue said
    "Brexit wasn't about racism."
    True.
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    @divegeester said
    The rise of the extreme right wing is trigger by uncontrolled immigration. You can renationalise it anyway which suits your ideology.
    Poland and Hungry tightened abortion restrictions. Is that right-wing act because of immigration? Orban has made Christianity part of his politics; is that also due to immigration? What about Italy, where two-thirds of doctors refuse to perform abortions?

    https://news.trust.org/item/20220927150419-1cyl9

    Far-right doctrine and policies were on the rise in Europe with or without immigration concerns.
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    @divegeester said
    The rise of the extreme right wing is trigger by uncontrolled immigration. You can renationalise it anyway which suits your ideology.
    Not just immigration.
    Poverty plays a large part.
    The indictrination that the capitalist system is good and cannot be held responsible (which leads to something else being responsible) plays a large part.

    Cutbacks in community work, as I’ve pointed out, leads to less early-intervention.

    And fear. Right-wing extremism is based in fear.
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    @shavixmir said
    Not just immigration.
    Poverty plays a large part.
    The indictrination that the capitalist system is good and cannot be held responsible (which leads to something else being responsible) plays a large part.

    Cutbacks in community work, as I’ve pointed out, leads to less early-intervention.

    And fear. Right-wing extremism is based in fear.
    It’s mostly uncontrolled immigration. Control borders and it will largely regress.
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    @shavixmir said
    Not just immigration.
    Poverty plays a large part.
    The indictrination that the capitalist system is good and cannot be held responsible (which leads to something else being responsible) plays a large part.

    Cutbacks in community work, as I’ve pointed out, leads to less early-intervention.

    And fear. Right-wing extremism is based in fear.
    It is also based with the underlying adage ....Some People Work Harder Than Others. So, as capitalism does great things, it is drug down by those who feed off of its system, making it difficult for them to do their work.
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    @divegeester said
    It’s mostly uncontrolled immigration. Control borders and it will largely regress.
    You seem rather hung up on the whole border control thing.
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