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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62908902

Sweden's PM resigned after election victories shifted the balance of power toward right-wingers. Right-wingers hold power by a slim margin, but they still will control Sweden's government. It should be noted that Sweden's right-wing Democratic party was created by neo-Nazis.

But all of Europe is moving far right:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/09/far-right-europe-rise-elections

The most obvious signs were with the UK and Brexit, along with Boris Johnson becoming PM, riding an anti-immigrant wave.

Hungry is lead by Viktor Orban, who the Guardian describes as a "Christian democratic conservative" who is loved by Trump. Italy's Matteo Salvini is a promoter of "Europe’s Judeo-Christian roots" (words used by Salvani). And so forth with other European nations like Spain

What these right-wingers seem to have in common is an admiration for Russia, which could significantly factor into how the EU deals with Putin. While Trump's America seemed like a pariah in the western world, that seems to be where Europe is headed.

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@vivify said
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62908902

Sweden's PM resigned after election victories shifted the balance of power toward right-wingers. Right-wingers hold power by a slim margin, but they still will control Sweden's government. It should be noted that Sweden's right-wing Democratic party was created by neo-Nazis.

But all of Europe is moving far right:

https ...[text shortened]... Trump's America seemed like a pariah in the western world, that seems to be where Europe is headed.
I wouldn’t say Boris had or has an admiration for Russia or Putin but I agree with the general point about Europe including the UK.
The sharp end if this phenomenon is Hungary and the Far right Serb nationalists in the Balkan’s who are being supported / encouraged by their ‘Slavic brothers’ in the Kremlin.

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@vivify
The Guardian has a good write up on the links between the Kremlin and the far right in the balkans

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/15/putin-balkans-war-ukraine-russia-serbian?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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@kevcvs57 said
I wouldn’t say Boris had or has an admiration for Russia or Putin but I agree with the general point about Europe including the UK.
The sharp end if this phenomenon is Hungary and the Far right Serb nationalists in the Balkan’s who are being supported / encouraged by their ‘Slavic brothers’ in the Kremlin.
Luckily the far right Serb nationalists are not known for starting anything of importance.

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@shavixmir said
Luckily the far right Serb nationalists are not known for starting anything of importance.
No threat to Europe in general but if you live in the balkans they are ‘those’ neighbours you don’t want to mess with and pray they don’t mess with you.
I don’t know if it’s a Slavic thing but like the Russians they are born with a sense of entitlement / ownership regarding their neighbourhood.

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@kevcvs57 said
No threat to Europe in general but if you live in the balkans they are ‘those’ neighbours you don’t want to mess with and pray they don’t mess with you.
I don’t know if it’s a Slavic thing but like the Russians they are born with a sense of entitlement / ownership regarding their neighbourhood.
It was a joke. They started the first world war (well, triggered it, to be honest).

However, back on topic: yes. There is a move to the right. And it is worrying.

Political parties and movements which were extremely fringe in the 1980’s have become far more popular in the last 2 decades.

And funnily enough, it’s the mainstream right-wing political parties who are to blame.

Let me attempt to explain (although I’m typing this on my phone, and it’s basically a tale which would take pages to do proper justice to).

Since the late 70’s there’s been a political drive to cut back on a lot of the checks and balances which smoothed out the hard edges of life. Think unions, workers rights, etc.
But also social things like community work, community centres, inter-cultural work, etc.

Mainstream capitalist parties were the driving force behind it: business above workers rights, community work programmes don’t make financiably measurable goals, etc.

So, from the capitalist perspective a lot of good things, which worked well on the ground level, were cut back or scrapped, because they either cost money (and the goals couldn’t be quantified) or cost business money.

What happened on the ground is that adults became less mingled (so withdrew more into their own groups) and children, besides withdrawing into their own groups, were given less oppertunities to expand themselves.
Think: less knitting classes for mums on an international basis, so the mums were connecting with eath other.
Think: poor white youths were no longer in music workshops with social workers bringing politics and poverty into perspective.
Think: young muslim men being urged to participate in funny art projects which broadened their view on society.
Etc.

With less worker’s rights, narrower experiences in life and no social workers helping to broaden view points and add perspective, the various groups get sucked into their own litte groups and group-think.

The world’s become smaller. A lot more people from a lot more places are living everywhere. The cost of living keeps rising, housing is expensive, etc. And a lot of peope have less perspective on a good future than a generation ago.

In muslim communities, the girls are getting ever better educated than the boys. This is creating friction there.
In poorer white communities, the groups revolve around football and the likes, with an always large fascist presence.

People generally don’t like poverty. Oh sure, they want to own a car, an own house, good clothes, etc. (all great promotional ideas from the capitalist political parties), but when reality becomes that the kids have to stay home until they’re 30, that care for the elderly has to be done at home and that there’s nowhere affordable for psychiatric relatives to go… that becomes problematic.

When you get to financial crisis’ and loads of people are losing their jobs (like around 2008 - 12) and there’s little well paid work to be found… people start voting more left-wing again.

So, the right-wing capitalist political parties, to remain in control, get into bed with the growing extreme right (morally right-wing) political parties. This keeps the right in power and justifies the existence of the far right.

The far right growing, because of the afore mentioned motion of poor white kids having little option of belonging anywhere except around football groups and the like.

So, because of capitalism’s ideals, you see the baseline of poverty moving lower and the glue (social and community work) which held inter-culturalism together being scrapped, leading to more poverty, far right movements (even within muslim communities… but there it’s called conservativism) and the right banding together in ever extremer variations.

And to make it all that more sharper: when I was at college in 1991, some of our teachers explained this all to us before it even happened. Because it all had happened before (different times, different groups) and there were reseach papers to back it all up.

The complete dynamics of what I’ve written above was known by the political parties, from the late 80’s onwards.
So they acted in full knowledge of what their decision’s would lead to.

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@vivify said

But all of Europe is moving far right:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/09/far-right-europe-rise-elections

The most obvious signs were with the UK and Brexit
“All” of Europe is not moving far right; that is an inaccurate sweeping generalisation. If you want to talk about the activation of the far right in Europe then at least look at the causes, and also split out the numbers without making these ridiculous hand-flapping generalisations.

(OMG again!) Brexit: 37% of UK Labour voters, voted ‘LEAVE’. Fact.
Get your facts right and stop inferring what isn’t there.

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@vivify said


But all of Europe is moving far right:
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"Far rifght" is the new 'racist", The word racist and racism has been so thoroughly flogged to death by the farrrrrrr ;^) left that thy need a new word to beat people over the head with. Why don't you tell us what you mean by 'far right'.

I've been called 'racist' and 'far right' so many times on this board, the only conclusion can be that the farrrrrr ;^) left want to destroy language one word at a time.

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@divegeester said
“All” of Europe is not moving far right; that is an inaccurate sweeping generalisation.
True; England didn't need to move.

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NO!

There are rising “far right” factions being activated across many parts of Europe. The vast majority of Europe isn’t moving right or is somewhat adopting a firmer stance on immigration as the left in the uk did during the build up to Brexit.

Both you and vivify are trying to lever the extreme margins to infer a representation of the whole. Vivify claimed in his OP that “all of Europe is moving far right”… it isn’t.

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@shallow-blue said
True; England didn't need to move.
#stillbitter.

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@divegeester said
“All” of Europe is not moving far right; that is an inaccurate sweeping generalisation. If you want to talk about the activation of the far right in Europe then at least look at the causes, and also split out the numbers without making these ridiculous hand-flapping generalisations.

(OMG again!) Brexit: 37% of UK Labour voters, voted ‘LEAVE’. Fact.
Get your facts right and stop inferring what isn’t there.
51 percent of voters were in favor of Brexit. So much for your cherry-picking picking of stats.

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@divegeester said
Vivify claimed in his OP that “all of Europe is moving far right”… it isn’t.
Fine: *most* of Europe is moving far right.

Better?

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The post that was quoted here has been removed
https://nltimes.nl/2022/06/08/two-ukrainian-refugees-arrested-human-trafficking-fraud

Two Ukrainian refugees arrested for human trafficking, fraud

Any oppressed group is more prone to bringing problems with them.