Europe increasingly right wing

@vivify said

Europe is experiencing a right-wing wave.

Sure, but not “all of Europe is moving far right”.

Meanwhile:
- Uncontrolled borders and immigration > rise of right wing ideologies and all its extremes.

- Oh but fascists, racists, xenophobes, bigots and all manner of other nasty names…

- No, just control your borders. Simple.

@shavixmir said
You still think national socialism is a form of socialism, even though every definition smacks you about your tiny balls and every single non-stupid person on this site has rammed the truth up your poop-chute.

You best bow out before you die of retarded embarrassment.

So communism isn’t extreme socialism and national socialism isn’t extreme socialism.

Got it.

@divegeester said
What we see happening in Italy and the probabl outcome of the election is a direct response to mass uncontrolled immigration over years and years. If a country doesn’t control its borders the extreme right get a political foothold. It’s obvious.

To an extent, but the other factor is that both mainstream right- and left-wing parties, and more radically left-leaning parties such as the Italian Five Star Movement or Greek Syriza, have been co-opted for a kind of "business as usual" economic policy which increasingly works to the disadvantage of majorities of the population. Sometimes the result of this is a weary return to centre-right norms, but the radical right can take advantage where it's well enough organised. Note that both Italy (now to be governed by the radical right) and Greece (governed again by the mainstream right) gave the left radicals a chance at government first and were disappointed.

@divegeester said
So communism isn’t extreme socialism and national socialism isn’t extreme socialism.

Got it.

So I guess NK is operating an extreme form of democracy then.
I’m surprised you’ve stooped low enough to pretend the Nazis were socialist.
The Nazis viewed socialist with the same loathing that they demonstrated against the Jews and many of them shared the same fate. Apart from the anti ‘international Jewish conspiracy’ the ‘anti Bolshevik conspiracy’ was their biggest campaign plank.

@divegeester said
So communism isn’t extreme socialism and national socialism isn’t extreme socialism.

Got it.

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

"Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service"

If Nazis were "socialist" would they purge all socialists from government? Do some research before posting.

@divegeester said
Sure, but not “all of Europe is moving far right”.

Meanwhile:
- Uncontrolled borders and immigration > rise of right wing ideologies and all its extremes.

- Oh but fascists, racists, xenophobes, bigots and all manner of other nasty names…

- No, just control your borders. Simple.

You think it's just about border control?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/20/brothers-of-italy-suspends-candidate-after-online-post-praising-hitler-found

Brothers of Italy suspends candidate after online post praising Hitler found

Election candidate for the rightwing party had called Hitler a ‘great statesman’ in a 2014 Facebook post

The right-wing rise in Europe indeed includes fascists, racists, bigots, etc. This is a member of the same party that won the election in Italy.

@divegeester said
So communism isn’t extreme socialism and national socialism isn’t extreme socialism.

Got it.

Communism can be seen as the next step to socialism. National socialism cannot. It has nothing to do with either socialism or communism.

Get a dictionary or something.
Or read Hitler on the matter.

@wajoma said
huulllloooo, it's in the name: national socialist

You seem to be getting Stalin and Hitler confused

@athousandyoung said
You seem to be getting Stalin and Hitler confused

He’s not confused he’s just telling his favourite right wing lie, he’s one them fascists who points to anyone but the actual fascists and says :
“oh look at the fascists over there, no no these aren’t fascist jackboots I’m wearing these are libertarian jackboots”
He does it all the time cos he’s a ‘libertarian’ don’t ya know.

@athousandyoung said
You seem to be getting Stalin and Hitler confused

Follow the thread ATY and you'll see it was bait for shag and I snagged him real good

He says national socialism isn't socialism, while at the same time saying 'state capitalism' is capitalism. It was such obvious bait I was afraid no one would fall for it, but shag swallowed it big time and now kev's come along for a nibble too.

@teinosuke said
To an extent, but the other factor is that both mainstream right- and left-wing parties, and more radically left-leaning parties such as the Italian Five Star Movement or Greek Syriza, have been co-opted for a kind of "business as usual" economic policy which increasingly works to the disadvantage of majorities of the population. Sometimes the result of this is a weary retu ...[text shortened]... by the mainstream right) gave the left radicals a chance at government first and were disappointed.

The main trigger for the mobilisation and rise the far right groups in Europe is mass dissatisfaction with uncontrolled migration. Control your borders and you’ll control and minimise the tendency to back their representatives.

@kevcvs57 said
So I guess NK is operating an extreme form of democracy then.
I’m surprised you’ve stooped low enough to pretend the Nazis were socialist.
The Nazis viewed socialist with the same loathing that they demonstrated against the Jews and many of them shared the same fate. Apart from the anti ‘international Jewish conspiracy’ the ‘anti Bolshevik conspiracy’ was their biggest campaign plank.

I’m (obviously) pointing out that the name “socialism” as a label for political benchmarking is meaningless and had become the adopted label for a moral land grab.

If I take a “what are you” political test I come out as “liberal left/centric” every time.

@vivify said
You think it's just about border control?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/20/brothers-of-italy-suspends-candidate-after-online-post-praising-hitler-found

Brothers of Italy suspends candidate after online post praising Hitler found

Election candidate for the rightwing party had called Hitler a ‘great statesman’ in a 2014 Facebook post

...[text shortened]... fascists, racists, bigots, etc. This is a member of the same party that won the election in Italy.

No, I think border control is without doubt the main contributing factor to the rise of the extreme right factions in parts of Europe. Border control is critical and as I’ve been saying here for years, the “free movement of people” policy will be the undoing of the EU.

Your example here is what, it’s just an example of some racists being racist.

@shavixmir said
Communism can be seen as the next step to socialism. National socialism cannot. It has nothing to do with either socialism or communism.

Get a dictionary or something.
Or read Hitler on the matter.

Please my post above on the meaningless of “socialism” as a label.

It’s a bit like Conservative vs Labour labels in the UK; Labour as a label for the party has become increasingly less of a banner for the working class because the working class and indeed the class system under which “Labour” was formed, doesn’t exist anymore. At least not in a recognisable form.

Labour (in the UK) are on the verge of another shift in popular confidence away from the Conservatives but I predict they will blow it, you watch. They will blow it on immigration. However Claire Rayner was excellent I thought, leagues ahead of Starmer in her ability to reach out with passion and highlight Tory incompetence.

Cut the 45% tax threshold, jeez what on earth was Truss thinking SMH.

@vivify said
https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

"Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service"

If Nazis were "socialist" would they purge all socialists from government? Do some research before posting.

While you are busy defending your stupid labels you’re losing elections everywhere.

Go figure.