the clans - what can be done

@vespin said
You are the one who needs the analysis not Rusty. The good leaders talk to each other and know what he is saying is true. And they understand it something you know nothing about. Here is a thought.... How about as the worse leader, you try to get better, and you go into all the clans on the first page and learn something. Then go through all the clans as I have for years, s ...[text shortened]... on't know what you are or how bad you are at this. Do your homework then people will listen, maybe.

Again, just the personal attacks and the challenge for me to do the work to support the statements that the two of you made. Supposedly, you both looked at the date and did the analysis. I’m just asking you to show your work.

The more you try to turn it around to me the clearer it is that you two are talking out if your behinds. Show the analysis. Prove your statements. I f you do and it shows what you claim it shows, I’ll be glad to admit it. Otherwise you guys are just blowhards.

@lstcyr said
Hey, Michael, mind your own business. VeryRusty is trying to convince me of his falsehoods so I’m asking him to show the analysis, which he never did.

Just like I challenged you almost a year ago to show the analysis that you said you were doing about or matches together. You never did that either.

Both of you are all talk and no analysis. You should be prime recruits for the Trump campaign.

He doesn't have to. See all your red thumbs? Nobody agrees with you and you are making yourself look really bad. Rusty has put facts in there, and done all the work. You are one of those people who will never get it, you are lazy and won't do any of the work which is why you have been so horrible in the ratings all these years, and you have nothing to say except "Rusty give me facts." He has done that. He has proven himself to the owner and admins and has the respect of the leaders.

Again, what have you done to contribute to the clan system, what idea's, who have you helped???? Other than feeding clans points over and over again.

You have nothing to say because you don't understand how any of this works. You will never change and you are happy being what you are, a horrible leader who understand nothing about the clan system.

I'm done with you for now. You are to ignorant to discuss this with. Do your homework like I did for years to get to where my team is now.

The only person who has to prove themselves and give facts is you. Only you.

Have a nice day!

@vespin said
He doesn't have to. See all your red thumbs? Nobody agrees with you and you are making yourself look really bad. Rusty has put facts in there, and done all the work. You are one of those people who will never get it, you are lazy and won't do any of the work which is why you have been so horrible in the ratings all these years, and you have nothing to say except "Rusty give ...[text shortened]...
The only person who has to prove themselves and give facts is you. Only you.

Have a nice day!

What a hunk of horse manure. MYOB

@lstcyr said
What a hunk of horse manure. MYOB

Rusty is my business. Second, prove your work!!! Show Stats that prove what you say is true. You keep saying he is wrong, show in stats, clans, leaders, players, show all your work and show how he is wrong. Rusty has already proven everything he has said over the last 15 years and over 10 championships. Most of your years have been in the negative.

I feel badly for your players. My Lord you are bad.

@vespin said
Rusty is my business. Second, prove your work!!! Show Stats that prove what you say is true. You keep saying he is wrong, show in stats, clans, leaders, players, show all your work and show how he is wrong. Rusty has already proven everything he has said over the last 15 years and over 10 championships. Most of your years have been in the negative.

I feel badly for your players. My Lord you are bad.

Michael. You sad, sad person.

Slowly, just for you.

Rusty made the claim first without any proof. I can’t prove him wrong because he has not shown the analysis to back up his claim. All I have been asking him to do is show his work so all of us can see how he came to his conclusion. I suspect he just eyeballed it and is making a guess but without his analysis we can’t tell for sure.

As to your faulty argument that Rusty has been successful in clans therefore he can NOT be wrong in what he says here, it’s clearly a faulty argument from the Trump University of reasoning. Is that where your degree is from?

Don’t embarrass yourself more than you have. Just MYOB (unless you and Rusty are related or in a relationship) and encourage Rusty to show us the data and analysis supporting his claim.

@VESPIN
How’s the research and analysis of our matches to support your absurd claim coming along. It’s been almost a year now. It can’t be that many matches, can it? Or does the data not support your falsehood?

@lstcyr said
@VESPIN
How’s the research and analysis of our matches to support your absurd claim coming along. It’s been almost a year now. It can’t be that many matches, can it? Or does the data not support your falsehood?

Doing it the right way, not using system, half way point I am ahead by 15 games. But half way stilll to go.

Why are you not better after all the games you play?You and I were in a tournament recently, you got zero points, and I just missed moving through by 3 points and there were four of us. Once again showing you can't play.

Focus on your clan team because as of now you have no voice, and are not respected.

@vespin said
Doing it the right way, not using system, half way point I am ahead by 15 games. But half way stilll to go.

Why are you not better after all the games you play?You and I were in a tournament recently, you got zero points, and I just missed moving through by 3 points and there were four of us. Once again showing you can't play.

Focus on your clan team because as of now you have no voice, and are not respected.

And how’s that research going on our matches? Did the facts throw you off or were you too LAZY to do the work.

Sure, go the Donald way and pick out isolated instances of how I didn’ do well. Well, I looked at your record and you’ve won 36 tournaments since you ‘ve been on the site. I’ve won over 460 of them. I’ve won more than 36 in the last six months alone. Falsehoods again, Michael. Are you related yo Donald or did you learn that by graduating from his university?

Facts, my sad little man.

@lstcyr said
Michael. You sad, sad person.

Slowly, just for you.

Rusty made the claim first without any proof. I can’t prove him wrong because he has not shown the analysis to back up his claim. All I have been asking him to do is show his work so all of us can see how he came to his conclusion. I suspect he just eyeballed it and is making a guess but without his analysis we can’t t ...[text shortened]... ted or in a relationship) and encourage Rusty to show us the data and analysis supporting his claim.

Last time. Let me help Larry. The proof is if you are not lazy, is in every leader and the way they set up matches, how many matches, and specifically how many matches with specific clans. Are they using the same clans over and over and giving them 10 to 20 points per match and do the matches finish fast. Look at every player in the clan system and get to know how good they are and this is with each player being 100 to 200 points to high and others to low. You have to know both.

This is just the start of learning of what is going on. It took me years. I did the work myself. However, I leaned on players on my team, Rusty being the most as I consider him a co captain because he knows more than most and certainly more than me.

Do your homework and maybe you might get some respect. You have said nothing that helps anyone nor are you correct about anything.

No leader who leads his or her team into the negative points almost every season has no intelligent thoughts on anything to do with chess or the clan system.

So was that slow enough for you? Rusty has nothing to prove. He is respected by all that matter. That can not be the same for you.

You are the worse kind of person for the clan system, an ignorant person who runs his mouth.

Do the work, learn, and maybe in several years you might have a thought worth listening to. I highly doubt it though.

Enjoy feeding those points. You are not the answer, you are the problem.

@vespin said
Last time. Let me help Larry. The proof is if you are not lazy, is in every leader and the way they set up matches, how many matches, and specifically how many matches with specific clans. Are they using the same clans over and over and giving them 10 to 20 points per match and do the matches finish fast. Look at every player in the clan system and get to know how good they ...[text shortened]... highly doubt it though.

Enjoy feeding those points. You are not the answer, you are the problem.

Finally, we are now at the Donald part where we ignore the original conversation, spout a bunch of inanities and try to completely change the subject. Try minding your own business and none of this would have involved you. Now, when I think of you, I think of the lyrics from “The Last Supper” in Jesus Christ Superstar where Judas calls Jesus “you sad pathetic man”. Go away and finish your research on our games that you said you’d do a year ago.

Didn’t think so. Your statements are falsehoods. Prove it.

@lstcyr said
Finally, we are now at the Donald part where we ignore the original conversation, spout a bunch of inanities and try to completely change the subject. Try minding your own business and none of this would have involved you. Now, when I think of you, I think of the lyrics from “The Last Supper” in Jesus Christ Superstar where Judas calls Jesus “you sad pathetic man”. Go away and ...[text shortened]... mes that you said you’d do a year ago.

Didn’t think so. Your statements are falsehoods. Prove it.

I am still counting the games. My God we played a lot. Tell me if you agree with this because I remember everything that happened. Including giving you my club because I know you would expand and do a better job than me at that point.

This is how I count our games. You have to remember the games I never finished but was clearly winning, as in I had a queen and both rooks and you had one rook. Something to that effect. And it goes the other way as well. Games where I let it go and you were winning and won. That was your win.

There are games where I did not want to hurt your rating as your friend, and I would offer draws, or just resign even though I had it won.

There are tons of games where I resigned, timed out, and just simply quit because like said, I did not want to hurt your rating. I never cared about my rating except one time and I reached 1400 and then lost a ton of games due to time outs. Look at my timeouts Larry. I think I have the record for the most.

So how I am counting the games.

1. I go into every game and see if I was winning clearly but resigned or quit due to health. I'm talking where I was really up. The system says I lost, I count that as a win as you only had a king and a rook and in some cases just pawns and I had my major pieces. I count that as a win for me.

2. If I see a game where I resigned or timed out and you were clearly winning that is a win for you. It goes both ways.

That is how I am counting the wins and losses. If I have a queen and two rooks and you have a rook , sorry but you are not winning that game. And no way I would win against you if it was reversed.

You are just looking at the systems count.

I am going into every single game to see who was clearly winning. If I can't decide because it was even, or in some cases I did not move at all, that is not a win for you.

You are welcome to go into every game like I am to see if i am lying. My final count will reflect the real number. Why would you even want to claim a win where I did not move at all. I would never count that as win.

A win is who was clearly winning, and it has to be clear, and where you forced me into checkmate. I do one page a day. Half way through.

I count real wins. If you come out ahead I will post that. I don't want a win I did not earn Larry. But I am counting it the right way. Give me a week and I'll have the total.

@VESPIN Don't really care about all your talk. I've given you over a year to do this and now you want another week. Sure. Why not?

I'm not even sure why you are doing this. It was your idea in the first place. But go ahead.

BTW, not holding my breath.

@lstcyr
You wanted the stats. I will post them. I told you the rules at which I will count wins and losses. Other than this, I have nothing to say. When this is done, So are we. So no worries.

@vespin said
@lstcyr
You wanted the stats. I will post them. I told you the rules at which I will count wins and losses. Other than this, I have nothing to say. When this is done, So are we. So no worries.

Blowing smoke once again. Go back and look at the posts where you claimed that you won most of our matches. YOU said you were going to look at the stats and prove it. YOU haven’t.

I’ll believe nothing you say until you show your work. As far as being done between us, that’s also something you’ve said before. YOU can’t do that so stop saying it.

CS

@vespin said
@lstcyr
You wanted the stats. I will post them. I told you the rules at which I will count wins and losses. Other than this, I have nothing to say. When this is done, So are we. So no worries.

My apologies. It was April 8 last year that you stated:
“ The record you are showing is a lie. Go into the games and don't count the ones where I resigned very early as in less then 10 moves. I offered you draws when I had you beat because they were friendly games.
I will get you the real number of our record against each other. I should not even be able to beat you with all the play time you get. I hardly play at all and I still beat in the tournament not long ago. You should have crushed me. I gave you the name of the tournament. Go look.
I'll get you the real number in a few days. Our record against each other is very close and yes you might have some more wins than me but not by much. If I played as much as you would never beat me. I'll get the real number for you.”

It won’t be a year for about 2 weeks but I have no doubt we won’t see anything before then.