06 Jul 20
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Why?
This is a straight question to all but of course Christians and including myself.
I’ve been brought up to believe that the bible is the complete and infallible word of God. Nothing can be added to it and nothing taken away.
Why? How do we know this?
There is a text in the New Testament which states “all scripture is useful for teaching” (words to that effect - needs a citation pls as I’m on my phone) - but what is “all scripture” or more pertinently what WAS regarded as being all scripture” at that time of writing?
Thoughts...
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2Tim. 3 Verses 16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”
@divegeester saidProtestant's removed about seven books of the original Bible 1400 years after the New Testament was written. All Old Testament books too.
Why?
This is a straight question to all but of course Christians and including myself.
I’ve been brought up to believe that the bible is the complete and infallible word of God. Nothing can be added to it and nothing taken away.
Why? How do we know this?
There is a text in the New Testament which states “all scripture is useful for teaching” (words to that ...[text shortened]... God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”
https://www.scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanonical-books-new-testament/
This link shows how all those removed books related to Jesus. Jesus even attended the feast of Maccabees, (dedication) in remembrance of the victory of Maccabees, all thanks to God. Do you think they should have removed those books from their supposed Bible? BTW, I'm not Catholic.
@divegeester saidWe know the opposite, actually. Before the printing press, no two copies of the Bible were the same word-for-word.
Why?
This is a straight question to all but of course Christians and including myself.
I’ve been brought up to believe that the bible is the complete and infallible word of God. Nothing can be added to it and nothing taken away.
Why? How do we know this?
There is a text in the New Testament which states “all scripture is useful for teaching” (words to that ...[text shortened]... God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”
06 Jul 20
@bigdoggproblem saidAnd things have been 'taken away,'
We know the opposite, actually. Before the printing press, no two copies of the Bible were the same word-for-word.
06 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidWhy not stop asking questions to avoid answering them.
Protestant's removed about seven books of the original Bible 1400 years after the New Testament was written. All Old Testament books too.
https://www.scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanonical-books-new-testament/
This link shows how all those removed books related to Jesus. Jesus even attended the feast of Maccabees, (dedication) in remembrance of the victory of M ...[text shortened]... Do you think they should have removed those books from their supposed Bible? BTW, I'm not Catholic.
06 Jul 20
@divegeester saidIf I was a Christian (it could happen) I would be more likely to think an infallible God inspired the writers of the bible but that the writers themselves were not infallible and were capable of errors.
I predict this being the shortest thread about one of the most important topics in Christianity.
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@bigdoggproblem saidYou ‘know’ this how exactly? Only really possible to prove a negative if you are omniscient.
We know the opposite, actually. Before the printing press, no two copies of the Bible were the same word-for-word.
07 Jul 20
@dj2becker saidDo you have a comment on the content of my OP?
You ‘know’ this how exactly? Only really possible to prove a negative if you are omniscient.
07 Jul 20
@divegeester saidYes is the simple answer. All scripture is inspired by God, however the words scripture and bible has changed over the centuries and it is only God who can now determine what is and what is not His original words.
Why?
This is a straight question to all but of course Christians and including myself.
I’ve been brought up to believe that the bible is the complete and infallible word of God. Nothing can be added to it and nothing taken away.
Why? How do we know this?
There is a text in the New Testament which states “all scripture is useful for teaching” (words to that ...[text shortened]... God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”
All scripture is given for reproof and correction and for instruction but knowledge and understanding of all Scripture is not a required for eternal life. Jesus made that point clear when He said that He was the way the truth and the life.
07 Jul 20
@bigdoggproblem saidNot true at all.
We know the opposite, actually. Before the printing press, no two copies of the Bible were the same word-for-word.
@divegeester saidI basically did answer it. The whole Bible is God breathed or God inspired. I find it extremely sinful that the protestant's in the early 1600's removed those books from the Bible to make their own Bible. I've read and studied them all and I find no reason what so ever that they removed them. Those books were all in the Old-Testament Bible when Jesus walked this earth. He never said one word against those books or any other. If something was wrong with them, He would have said so. Just as He did to the Pharisees and religious leaders of that day. Jesus basically told them (paraphrased) that they were full of it and not near God at all; and, that their teachings, new laws and rules, were evil and not of Him or His Father. Good enough for you?
Why not stop asking questions to avoid answering them.
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@divegeester saidI think it’s a matter of faith rather than a matter of ‘knowing’. The problem is that when you start cherry picking and only believe the parts that you like who is to say you should believe any of it at all? For me it’s all or nothing.
Why?
This is a straight question to all but of course Christians and including myself.
I’ve been brought up to believe that the bible is the complete and infallible word of God. Nothing can be added to it and nothing taken away.
Why? How do we know this?
There is a text in the New Testament which states “all scripture is useful for teaching” (words to that ...[text shortened]... God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”
@dj2becker saidHumm.... I know I was a Christian for decades with total faith in Jesus aka God; and, I sincerely did not believe the whole Bible to be accurate or true. It was not cherry picking either. I believe that God will show all true followers or worshipers in time; some sooner than others. Kinda like Paul, but maybe not so harshly or God intervened. However, everyone has a different walk.
I think it’s a matter of faith rather than a matter of ‘knowing’. The problem is that when you start cherry picking and only believe the parts that you like who is to say you should believe any of it at all? For me it’s all or nothing.
07 Jul 20
@dj2becker saidBut faith in what exactly?
I think it’s a matter of faith rather than a matter of ‘knowing’.
In terms of believing the entire bible to be the word of God.