@sonship saidOf course it isn’t! There is no ‘eternal son’, period.
And the byproduct of your so simple denial of the side of the three __________ is that the Son of God has a temporary office. And that is heretical.
It’s the same entity, the same person, the same sovereign god, manifested in multiple ways. It’s not multiple people like some sort of multiheaded beast in revelation, that is paganism. Cant you see it!?
One god one person comes to earth as a man, makes himself a “son” in the flesh, does the deed, is given the name that is above all names on earth and all authority and then is off. Eventually he hands back the authority to the father, the “office” the “image” the “manifestation” of the human son is finished. BUT IT IS STILL THE SAME ONE PERSON.
It’s quite simple, it really really is.
28 Apr 21
@divegeester said^^ THIS ^^
No, I think it’s quite straightforward God is one person, not THREE.
Simple.
28 Apr 21
@sonship saidHow can Jesus throne be forever when in fact Jesus “hands over the kingdom to the father?
@divegeesterThere is no ‘eternal son’, period.
Of course God is the same and one.
Your multiheaded lampoon ridicule doesn't erase that the SON'S throne of authority is forever and ever.
That is an eternal Son. Sorry.
Your doctrine is punched full of errors and holed below the waterline.
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29 Apr 21
How can Jesus throne be forever when in fact Jesus “hands over the kingdom to the father?
You are actually telling people that Hebrews 1:8 is wrong.
The One being spoken to is the Son -
"But of the Son, ..." (v.8a).
To the Son it is said that His throne is possessed by Him for eternity.
"But of the Son, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever."
The scepter of authority, the throne, and the kingdom possessed by the Son are forever and ever.
So then HOW can we believe this and First Corinthians 15:24 "that the Son delivers up the kingdom to His God and Father, . . ." [/b]
I refuse to make one passage render the other passage wrong.
I choose to believe both.
I trust my God who has told me both.
When the Son delivers up the kingdom to His God and Father it is the continued will of the Father that the Son reign forever and ever. The act of humility is not what one would imagine as the Father dismissing the "office of son" or terminating the Son's kingdom and authority.
And when was the Son NOT subject to the Father anyway?
He delivers up the kingdom to His God and Father. Don't blame me for what the Bible said. It said "His God and Father".
And it is the eternal plan and will of the Father that the Son who is so subject reign in His kingdom forever and ever. Hebrews 1:8
Otherwise it would be a lie - "But of the Son, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom." .
But there is something more. In the Son a God-man reigning forever and ever He is now joined with many brothers - God-men. Over them all He is anointed with exultant joy. And they are His partners.
"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of exultant Joy above Your partners" (v.9)
The partners are His many brothers. They do not partake of His Godhead.
But they are His partners co-reigning with Him.
They exult. But He over all of them exults.
Incidentally, the sons of God reign forever and ever also. (Rev. 21:7;22:5)
It makes no sense that the Son's office is terminated yet the many sons reign forever and ever.
@sonship saidYour ability to discern and understand is poor. The expression for ever and ever is one of those phrases that must be interpreted with some caution. Most of the time it means for an era, for a long time, for time and time again.
To the Son it is said that His throne is possessed by Him for eternity.
"But of the Son, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever."
And here "
So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
(Psalms 119:44 KJV)
It means until the writer dies, clearly
You are one teacher that people should avoid like the plague.
@sonship saidNo, that’s not what the Bible says. The Bible says the son will HAND OVER the kingdom to the father.
@divegeester
The scepter of authority, the throne, and the kingdom possessed by the Son are forever and ever.
So how many kings are there in your version of this kingdom?
29 Apr 21
@sonship saidYes, that’s right, so how can this be if they are separate entities?
@divegeester
Otherwise it would be a lie - "But of the Son, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom." .
Go on keep thinking.
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@divegeester saidI never say that the Father and the Son are separate.
Yes, that’s right, so how can this be if they are separate entities?
Go on keep thinking.
The word "separate" has never been used by me to describe the nature of the
Three of the trinity in the years I have been writing here.
I have used the word "distinct". I have not used the word "separate".
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"Even as also in another place He says "You are a Priest FOREVER according to the order of Melchizedek" (Heb. 5:6)
The eternal Son is an eternal King.
And the eternal Son is also an eternal Priest.
So we adore the Lord Jesus. And He ever lives to intercede for us to save us to the uttermost. (Heb. 7:25)
"For it is testified, "You are a Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek." (Heb. 7:17)
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@sonship saidThat’s right, but a priest who has “HANDED OVER the kingdom to the father”.
@divegeester
Also the Son ever lives to intercede for the saints. He is also a PRIEST forever. (Heb. 5:6;7:17)
So if the son and the father are two separate entities, then how can this allegedly “eternal son” (a term also not mentioned in the bible) still be “king” when he has handed the kingship of the kingdom to the father?
Go on, keep thinking...