The Wisdom of Witness Lee

Indeed.

@divegeester

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I’m not preaching, teaching, lecturing of otherwise directing other Christians in how they should apply the words of Christ to their spiritual lives.

@sonship said
@divegeester
Um remember your great glowing humility now Divegeester.

I’m not preaching, teaching, lecturing of otherwise directing other Christians in how they should apply the words of Christ to their spiritual lives.

@divegeester said
That’s correct, I’m not.

We could consider three types of hater:

1) the individual hater: a person employs hate as an emotional mechanism to deal with a real or perceived threat. Relinquishes the hate once the threat has diminished.

2) societal or group hate: where society or a group holds to a common hate. We could liken the attitudes and behaviours of partisan or topical political division to be fuelled by a group hatred of a perceived threat.

3) divine hate: some bible scriptures describe god as “hating” some things such as sin and some types of people.

I’m not questioning Sonship’s right to be here I’m simply opening discussion and inviting him to comment on his motivation for spending a significant amount of time here when he seriously believes that billions of people in the world will be tortured alive for eternity if they don’t know Jesus. This forum as a platform for theological debate would be worse off if sonship didn’t post here; I think you are climbing the wrong pole and your metaphorical underwear is showing.

It’s potentially a discussion about beliefs and how they impact our motivations and behaviours, it’s about life after death and wether there is any credence to the claims of sonship and others here wether a loving God really does torture people in hell or wether that is doctrinal wallpaper designed to create a backdrop of fear.

ToO is harmless troll (of Christians) who previously pretended to adhere to the “words of Jesus” “while he was on earth”.

However he’s been found out to be a pretender and is in reality probably an atheist Jew, or something similar, who is reasonably well versed in NT scripture and has enjoyed using it to troll Christians by focusing on the more extreme elements.

In answer to your question; yes I think he believes Jesus was either lying, deluded or never existed. He is just too balls-deep into his role play and too cowardly to admit it.

A) I have no idea. It’s your version of god and hell where this literal lake of fire exists in the first place. Presumably your version of Jesus felt it necessary to invent the lake in order carry out this eternal genicide.

B)Jesus spoke in parables most of the time; but don’t let that fact get in the way of your shock and awe god of eternal fury beliefs

This is NOT about salvation per-se.

Acceptable religion to God for Christians is:

James 1:27 New International Version (NIV)
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

I think this could be simply extrapolated to helping others in our neighbourhood who need our help and not getting soiled and sullied by the corruption and immortality of the world around us.

I find this interesting because of its simplicity and the way the faith of the Christian is channelled into acceptable good works before God but without any proselytising. Just make a point of helping people.

Perhaps your version of Jesus will think the time you spend in here pontificating will be "acceptable" to him, instead of being in the streets warning people about him torturing them for eternity.

Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?’
Genesis 18:25

I am sure he will, and so will I also, all the time, and I’ll speak it out too.

I defy the god of the hellers, I defy the god who will torture his detractors for eternity, I defy a small despotic being who will crush into eternal torment those who fail to believe in its ethereal existence, I despise its smallness and weakenss.

The God of all the earth will do what is “right”, he is a God who can be absolutely trusted like a father in his mercy, support and benevolence.

He is a God to whom we will all bow the knee and will all be happy to do so because of the wisdom and righteousness of his being.

Anything less is spiritual fascism.

Romans 14:11
It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.'"

Philipians 2: 9 - 11
Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place, and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord...

Here we have in these well known verses, God himself, through his word, twice prophesying that every tongue will confess him and that every knee will bow to him.

Will those who have not bowed the knee or confessed with their mouth in this life, but upon meeting the Lord bow to him and confess him as Lord, then go to the eternal burning in hell?

They have met God and bowed the knee and they have confessed him as Lord. Is this the point that God switches off the “mercy that endures forever”?

Is there a possibility here that God’s mercy that endures for ever will save these people, or do you still demand your bodies of burning flesh?

It not an insinuation, it is an outright statement, although your deceitful and nasty embellishment “sadistic” is just your spite showing again sonship.

I am convinced, as others here have also stated recently, that many eternal suffering Christians need to believe that hell and eternal suffering exist.

You are one of them as your unguarded confession a couple of years back revealed that ~ the knowledge of eternal suffering help you to forgive those who mistreat you ~

A revelation that told me much about you and about a Christian philosophy which underpins the need for hell and eternal suffering. So yes the need for the burning bodies is not a “slimy insinuation” sonship, it is me being direct, unequivocal and truthful.

Stalker alert! 😆

@divegeester said
Stalker alert! 😆

@sonship said
No excuse hypocrite alert.

@divegeester

You seem to be lashing out in anger sonship.

Folks Dive occassionally puts on his hat of having no emotions - like a cold emotionless stone is somehow more human and intellectual - cool as a cucumber.

Of course it is a handy facade which he selectively resorts to.
At other times he overflows with seething anger describing believers in words from the mouth of Christ as being advocates of keeping people alive for torture, fascination with burning flesh, Your Jesus as a sadist, etc. etc.

Of course then his angry exasperation goes on and on for quite a while. You've all seen it probably.

@sonship said
@divegeester

You seem to be lashing out in anger sonship.

It seems ? So maybe to you "it seems".
If I was is there something wrong with occasionally lashing out in a justified anger ?

Expound for us this passage.

Ephesians 4:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

"For man’s anger does not bring about God’s righteousness."

James 1:20

@sonship said
If I was is there something wrong with occasionally lashing out in a justified anger ?
Ephesians 4:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath

@divegeester

Ok so you are admitting that you are lashing out in anger.

It seems ? So maybe to you "it seems".
If I was is there something wrong with occasionally lashing out in a justified anger ?

This is what I think has happened in this whole thread. I often quote or allude to something Witness Lee taught. Some here do not like what the BIBLE teaches. What has been the reaction of defense of some to this?

It has been to attempt to narrow DOWN what the Bible has conveyed to make is appear as the narrow exclusive claims of one falible human being. Witness Lee became the scapegoat for sketicism about the BIBLE's revelation.

"Oh, YOU are just blind follower of ONE LITTLE GUY with ONE LITTLE NARROW SECTARIAN OPINION."

This I think has been the tactic of some of you. - To make the teaching of the Bible into the personal narrow viewpoint of one sectarian elite cult leader.

"Oh, You are just plagiarizing or cult like following a single bad teacher."

I see you Ghost.

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