The Wisdom of Witness Lee

@sonship said
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Does the exposition portray a hopeless state of being forever under Satan's munipulating influence? Or does the comment positively portray the hope of being cured, separated from, rescued from such influences?

Further ministry from Witness Lee on Revelation 18 speaks of heaven's rejoicing that the apostate counterfeit is fina ...[text shortened]... ng of https://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?n
From Life Study of Revelation by W. Lee.

@FMF

Do you think you are succeeding in converting anyone here away from Protestantism with this talk of it being an "organization of Satan"?

VII. REJOICING IN HEAVEN
OVER THE JUDGMENT UPON BABYLON
Verse 20 says, “Rejoice over her, O heaven and saints and apostles and prophets, because God has judged your judgment upon her.” While many will weep over the destruction of Babylon, others will rejoice over it. Those on earth will weep, but those in heaven will rejoice. We shall certainly be among the rejoicing ones in heaven. Furthermore, I believe that we shall witness the destruction of Babylon. As her smoke goes up, we shall rejoice.

@sonship said
@FMF

Do you think you are succeeding in converting anyone here away from Protestantism with this talk of it being an "organization of Satan"?

Only God can truly "convert" anyone to Himself.
I'm happy if people turn to the Lord Jesus and take more seriously the Bible.

Now a question to YOU. In the above portions of Witness Lee's comments he speaks ...[text shortened]... m, will you weep at her destruction or rejoice with God's people who came OUT of her concerning it ?

@sonship said
Only God can truly "convert" anyone to Himself.
I'm happy if people turn to the Lord Jesus and take more seriously the Bible.

@FMF

I am waiting for your answer to my question about Exodus and Ghost of a Duke.

@sonship said
@FMF

I am waiting for your answer to my question about Exodus and Ghost of a Duke.

I am waiting your answer to half a dozen or more questions you dodged.

The latest -

At the judgment of Babylon do you identify more with those who would weep at her destruction of more with those who will rejoice at it ?

You're waiting on me?
I'm waiting on you too.

@sonship said
At the judgment of Babylon do you identify more with those who would weep at her destruction of more with those who will rejoice at it ?

What ever FMF means by his question, I have half a dozen or more that he has ignored.

It is pretty clear that Witness Lee covered so much of what is said in our document of faith, the Bible.
He was not one sided, lopsided, or myopic. He approached exposition of it from all of its angles.

When it was time to talk about a subject, he gave full attention to that subject.
Some critics lay hold of this dedication to isolate some portions and push them forward as examples of heterodox or bad teaching.

When it was time to speak of words which came out of the mouth of Jesus which are tough, he didn't shrink back but faithfully helped us to see those matters in context of the whole larger picture.

From the mouth of Jesus came the tough phrase "the synagogue of Satan" (Revelation 2:9)

I know your tribulation and poverty, but you are rich; and the slander of those who call themselves Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan"

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, those who call themselves Jews and are not, but lie, behold I will cause them to come and worship before your feet, and they shall know that I have loved you.

cont.


And I would add that Witness Lee was not ignorant of the deplorable persecution of Jews by Christians in history. For example Martin Luther was a angry persecutor of the Jews. But there is still a TIME when Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 have to be taught.

If anyone has trouble with Witness Lee speaking to these tough passages I would advise them to WITH those teachings they should ALSO examine his explanations of say Romans chapter 9 through 11. At here both sides and all sides of the Scriptures statements about the Jews.

Now a portion of Witness Lee's comments on Rev. 2:9 from the study notes of the Recovery Version NT.

" ... the slander of those who call themselves Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan"

The slander of the Judaizers toward the suffering church was their evil criticism of her. They stubbornly insisted upon keeping their Judaistic system, consisting of the Levitical priesthood, the sacrificial rituals, and material temple, which were all types now fulfilled and replaced by Christ. Since the church under the new covenant in God's economy had no part in their religious practice, the Judaisers slanderously criticized her. In principle, it is the same today, in that religious people slander the churches in the Lord's recovery, which seek the Lord and follow Him in spirit and in life and no not care for any religious system nor practice.

The Judaizers were Jews in flesh, but not Jews in spirit (Rom. 2:28-29). Merely being the seed of Abraham does not constitute them true Jews, "Those who are children of the flesh are not the children of God" (Rom. 9:7-8)

A synagogue was a place where the Jews worshipped God mainly by studying their Scriptures, the Old Testament. However, due to their stubborness in clinging to their traditional religious concepts, they became one with Satan in opposing God's way of life to fulfill His purpose. Their synagogue did this to the Lord Jesus (Matt. 12:9-14; Luke 4:28-29; John 9:22) , then to the apostles (Acts 6:9; 13:43, 45-46, 50; 14:1-2, 19; 17:1,5-6), and now to the churches (Rev. 3:9). Therefore, the Lord calls them "the synagogue of Satan." Even where He was on earth, He considered the synagogue to be of Satan, as implied in Matthew 12:25-29 and John 16:2. Through all the centuries since then, religious people have followed in their steps, persecuting the genuine seekers and followers of the Lord in spirit and life, while still considering themselves to be defending the interests of God. Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, as well as Judaism, all fall into this category, becoming an organization of Satan as his tool to damage God's economy."

Anyone could fall into the category of lapsing into the hands of the Slanderer to oppose God's move.

Peter, the leading apostle, Jesus rebuked.
I have been usurped at times also.

@sonship said
What ever FMF means by his question, I have half a dozen or more that he has ignored.

@FMF

Tell more about the red herrings.

@sonship said
@FMF

Tell more about the red herrings.

@FMF

I think we need you to explain more about the "angels on the head of a pin" remark.
You seem to know something about this. Elaborate on that.

@sonship said
@FMF

I think we need you to explain more about the "angels on the head of a pin" remark.
You seem to know something about this. Elaborate on that.