The Moral Argument for God's Existence

@sonship said
That is unless you are playing the part of a final arbitrator.

Morality is a personal guide that helps us manage our interactions with others. There is no "final arbitrator" in any supernatural sense, at least not that I am aware of. Court systems provide arbitration when necessary and when moral disagreements overlap with legal obligations and prohibitions.

@sonship said
Then if everyone's "moral compass" is just an opinion with no more or less validity then anyone else's then your's concerning my compass is inflicted with the same untrustworthy limitation.

Our moral compasses are there to help us navigate our way through all this limitation and untrustworthy stuff.

@sonship said
You're arguing that man is the measure of all things and FMF is the man.

I am not arguing that anyone should measure themselves against me.

@fmf said
Our moral compasses are there to help us navigate our way through all this limitation and untrustworthy stuff.

Navigation to what end?

The fulfillment of our personal desires?

@philokalia said
Navigation to what end?

The fulfillment of our personal desires?

Understanding and coping with human interactions as we live our lives.

@divegeester said
Yes pretty much, that’s it.

So how do you differentiate between good and evil then?

@fmf said
Understanding and coping with human interactions as we live our lives.

I am curious, though... What is the point of human interaction and human life?

That affects us greatly in how we navigate it.

The moral foundation of things is vitally important -- and whatever conclusion we have about the ends of human interactions and life will have a great impact on what we believe the moral foundation to be.

@philokalia said
I am curious, though... What is the point of human interaction and human life?

That's for you to decide for yourself.

@philokalia said
I am curious, though... What is the point of human interaction and human life? That affects us greatly in how we navigate it.

This is why it's all in the realm of subjectivity: the perceived point of life, how to live our lives, how we interact, how we are affected by things ~ it's all completely personal, subjective and varies from person to person.

@philokalia said
The moral foundation of things is vitally important -- and whatever conclusion we have about the ends of human interactions and life will have a great impact on what we believe the moral foundation to be.

Then you should decide what you see are "the ends of human interactions" and then establish for yourself what you believe is the vitally important "moral foundation of things". We all do it to varying degrees and in our different ways. Indeed, it is an essential part of who each of us is - our personhood, our character, our individuality.

So everyone has their own end. Everyone has their own meaning.

So... that's it?

Is anyone right or wrong..?

@philokalia said
So everyone has their own end. Everyone has their own meaning.

So... that's it?

I am not going to provide you with a meaning for your life; you have to find your own. And that works vice versa too.

@philokalia said
Is anyone right or wrong..?

Well, I think so. This is information that deliberation using a moral compass gives us. But there's no guarantee that everyone is going to agree with with a decision one makes or a stance taken.

If such decisions and stances result in lost friends, or in being excluded from a group or drawn towards another, or if they result in one being incarcerated - or even executed - by the society in which one lives, then that is part of the responsibility that one must take for one's actions.

@sonship said
But while you talk about superstition we have Someone in history who epitomizes the highest standard of human morality.

I think what you mean this is that 'epitomizing the highest standard of human morality' is how Jesus has been portrayed by the people who carefully constructed a cult of personality around him in the decades and centuries after he was executed by the Romans for sedition.

@divegeester said
Morality is mentioned possible once in the bible and only in certain translations. Morality is a human construct; the Bible talks about the “law” righteousness and sin.

You mention the “law”, you call it the “moral law” bit in fact it is not refereed to as that in the bible. The law was given as a written guide to be adhered to without question and disobedience was m ...[text shortened]... t God’s “morality” changes then you probalby need to think again.

As for your last comment. LOL.

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