Spirituality
24 Jul 19
@divegeester saidFirst of all, neither of us buy into KJ's OP, so I don't understand your trying to hide behind that.
My reply wasn’t in any reasonable interpretation “a bucket of snark”. I simply will not be drawn on a speculative alternative to what I know WON’T be happening. This is what the hellers try to do all the time “oh divegeester you don’t even know what is going to happen so how can you judge us on what we think is going to happen”. (My quotation marks for effect).
The on ...[text shortened]... e specific and in keeping with KellyJay’s OP, or b) start a thread on it an invite me to contribute.
Secondly, my question IS focused, as much as you want to try to evade it. Given your habit of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, vis a vis the Book of Revelation, if you toss ALL of it out as some sort of "bad dream" with zero revelatory basis, I'm just trying to cut through all the "same old, same old" bitching about eternal torture by asking you what you DO believe about mankind's end.
But, as usual, you refuse to talk about substance, only to fall back on your one-trick-pony of "you're wrong and you should be ashamed" schtick.
We all know that is your whole raison d'etre of your coming in here every day, I'm just giving you a chance to be positive about your own beliefs instead of constantly negative about the beliefs of others, for once.
25 Jul 19
@fmf saidI've only spoken about this numerous times in this forum. Have you not been paying any attention beyond smacking Christians down for believing in a Savior?
Are you an anihilationist?
Of course I believe in the concept that the price for unrepentant sin is the second death, the soul's annihilation in the Lake of Fire. I've only said as much many times, and my position has never wavered on this.
25 Jul 19
@suzianne saidMy main debating issue with the Christians who propagate it is the moral incoherence of the eternal torture ideology. I have no objection to people believing in a "Saviour". I have never once, ever, "smacked" you - or sonship - or KellyJay - or Eladar - or anyone - down for "believing in a Savior". I have repeatedly welcomed the positive effect it has on many Christians' lives. Have you not been paying any attention?
Have you not been paying any attention beyond smacking Christians down for believing in a Savior?
25 Jul 19
@suzianne saidYou think everyone here is sinless except for those people who we can all name as evil? It took but one sin corrupt all mankind, we can not be 99.99999% right with God it’s all or nothing.
This is an unapologetically good point.
25 Jul 19
@suzianne saidWhat is it you want, for crying out loud?
First of all, neither of us buy into KJ's OP, so I don't understand your trying to hide behind that.
Secondly, my question IS focused, as much as you want to try to evade it. Given your habit of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, vis a vis the Book of Revelation, if you toss ALL of it out as some sort of "bad dream" with zero revelatory basis, I'm just trying to c ...[text shortened]... ositive about your own beliefs instead of constantly negative about the beliefs of others, for once.
25 Jul 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNot right, is not right, along the lines of being pregnant you are, or you are not.
I'm not sure an omniscient God would agree with that reasoning.
25 Jul 19
@kellyjay saidThe 'points raised' being that anyone who doesn't believe in your god is going to eternal hell and damnation? Okay, I've looked at the points raised, now what? That kind of intellect doesn't need much diminishing, it does a fairly good job of diminishing itself. Consider yourself diminished.
You are someone who finds it easier to diminish another instead of looking at the points raised.
25 Jul 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidMay I just take a few seconds of life to concur with this philosophy.
@sonship
The 'good news' is that we are all incredibly fortunate to have life.
Don't waste a second of it fearing a non existent deity.
26 Jul 19
@indonesia-phil saidI'm unconcern about that, what I am concern with is with two points only, first is God is good, second we are not. You may feel like Hell isn't worth the time and effort to discuss, so don't discuss it. If it is a reality and yet you could care less about it, when the time comes when we are confronted with it, feeling diminished will be the least of your problems! If it is not a reality, than nothing said here is going to matter one wit. The reality of it will not be altered by how we vote on it here, how we feel about here, or anything to do with us.
The 'points raised' being that anyone who doesn't believe in your god is going to eternal hell and damnation? Okay, I've looked at the points raised, now what? That kind of intellect doesn't need much diminishing, it does a fairly good job of diminishing itself. Consider yourself diminished.
26 Jul 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat about one who is perfectly good and just?
I'm not sure an omniscient God would agree with that reasoning.
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26 Jul 19
@kellyjay saidThe Spider Crystals of Arcturus have a not-quite-parallel understanding in that they believe in an Unknowable Resonator Who Sings the Cosmos into Being in some kind of mystical cymatic process.
Is there a fear of God in you, if not, you have no idea, none what so ever what God is like.
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Romans 3:18
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Acts 9:31
So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and was being built up. And wal ...[text shortened]... the living God.
1 Peter 2:17
Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
Those transitory beings among the spider crystals who develop the understanding of this greater context which has given rise to Everything including their own little occurrences might decide to hum along or behave in harmonious ways, but more out of respect and reverence and appreciation rather than fear.