The fear of God

@divegeester said
Nobody comes to Christ through fear.
Nobody comes to Christ through fear of hell and punishment
The person who is afraid is not (yet) perfected in love
Perfect love casts out all fear.

1 John 4:8
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
KJV

Your ideology is not optimal KellyJay

Your grasp of scripture isn't.
We can love and fear at the same time, we can love and hate at the same time it is not only possible it is necessary. Inside of Christ there is no cause to fear, you are correct in that scripture, outside of Christ you are standing in front of your Savior who died and rose from the dead for us, instead He is the judge, who took and paid for every sinful thing you have ever done and was punished in your place by God the Father. That judge who cannot be lied to, knows it all, and you instead of asking for the mercy in this life, because He died to give you. You think that once all of the opportunities for grace are removed before judgment in this life we get one more, no.

Right now the wrath of God is over all of us, He hates sin, He hates those that do sin, His love and mercy for us are the only things restraining His wrath falling on us in full. Once that love and mercy is removed here we have no hope, they are not offered forever, after that nothing stands between us and the wrath of God. Yes, you should fear Him for no one can pull you out of His hands.

Psalm 5:
For you are not a God who delights in wickedness;
evil may not dwell with you.
The boastful shall not stand before your eyes;
you hate all evildoers.
You destroy those who speak lies;
the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

@kellyjay said
Your grasp of scripture isn't.
We can love and fear at the same time, we can love and hate at the same time it is not only possible it is necessary. Inside of Christ there is no cause to fear, you are correct in that scripture, outside of Christ you are standing in front of your Savior who died and rose from the dead for us, instead He is the judge, who took and paid for ev ...[text shortened]... between us and the wrath of God. Yes, you should fear Him for no one can pull you out of His hands.

Why is your God figure so very, very, very angry?

@kellyjay said
Your grasp of scripture isn't.
We can love and fear at the same time, we can love and hate at the same time it is not only possible it is necessary. Inside of Christ there is no cause to fear, you are correct in that scripture, outside of Christ you are standing in front of your Savior who died and rose from the dead for us, instead He is the judge, who took and paid for ev ...[text shortened]... between us and the wrath of God. Yes, you should fear Him for no one can pull you out of His hands.

Thousands of years and still no wrath from your god. Not an appearance, a phone call, or even a letter has occurred . At best, the Dear Leader is on an extended vacation. At least we have you to warn us of the Cosmic Bogeyman.

@kellyjay said
Right now the wrath of God is over all of us, He hates sin, He hates those that do sin, His love and mercy for us are the only things restraining His wrath falling on us in full.

He hates those that do sin, His love and mercy for us are the only things restraining His wrath...

So, hang on. Does he hate you? Or does he love you?

@fmf said
He hates those that do sin, His love and mercy for us are the only things restraining His wrath...

So, hang on. Does he hate you? Or does he love you?

KellyJay, does he hate me or does he love me?

@caissad4 said
Thousands of years and still no wrath from your god. Not an appearance, a phone call, or even a letter has occurred . At best, the Dear Leader is on an extended vacation. At least we have you to warn us of the Cosmic Bogeyman.

We each live our lives and at the end judgment. You get a shot at redemption it is offered and to reject it shuts you out of the Kingdom.

@kellyjay said
We each live our lives and at the end judgment. You get a shot at redemption it is offered and to reject it shuts you out of the Kingdom.

Do you picture yourself as trying to REASON with cassaid4 or instil FEAR in her?

@kellyjay said
We each live our lives and at the end judgment. You get a shot at redemption it is offered and to reject it shuts you out of the Kingdom.

Your god offers abject slavery as a serf in his celestial North Korea by accepting him.
Your god threatens eternal torture if you do not accept him.
But your god created people who he knew even before they were created who would not accept him as their Supreme Leader. So, he is creating , quite deliberately and consciously, people who will be tortured for eternity.
This is solely an attempt to control by fear and little else.
Your belief system is foolish at best and evil at worst.
Good thing your god is mything in action.
😆 😛

@caissad4 said
Your god offers abject slavery as a serf in his celestial North Korea by accepting him.
Your god threatens eternal torture if you do not accept him.
But your god created people who he knew even before they were created who would not accept him as their Supreme Leader. So, he is creating , quite deliberately and consciously, people who will be tortured for eternity.
This i ...[text shortened]... elief system is foolish at best and evil at worst.
Good thing your god is mything in action.
😆 😛

You are comparing God to man, man didn’t speak the universe into existence, man didn’t setup the laws of the universe, man doesn’t decree the life span of all life on the world. We owe our very breath to God for it is His air we breathe.

The god between your ears is to small to be concerned about, the Lord of Creation is the only One worthy of our devotion.

@kellyjay said
You are comparing God to man, man didn’t speak the universe into existence, man didn’t setup the laws of the universe, man doesn’t decree the life span of all life on the world. We owe our very breath to God for it is His air we breathe.

The god between your ears is to small to be concerned about, the Lord of Creation is the only One worthy of our devotion.

But man DID create your fairy tale beliefs.

@divegeester said
My humble advice is to stop obsessing over good vs evil and the punishment fits the “crimes against god” as you call them, and begin focusing on the completeness of the atonement.

Best post in this thread. By far.

@caissad4 said
But man DID create your fairy tale beliefs.

None of us need worry about fairytales, reality that is another story. God is the creator of reality!

@kellyjay said
None of us need worry about fairytales, reality that is another story. God is the creator of reality!

No

@caissad4 said
Thousands of years and still no wrath from your god. Not an appearance, a phone call, or even a letter has occurred . At best, the Dear Leader is on an extended vacation. At least we have you to warn us of the Cosmic Bogeyman.

What time period or year would you think God should have"appeared or called or sent us a letter"? Actually he didn't just send a letter but he gave us a book. And that book not only tells the history of the universe but has explained all we need to know from then and it takes us all the way into the future to the time that Satan is finally destroyed and the earth is finally the paradise Jehovah originally created for humans to live on in peace.
Many historians, religious leaders of non christian religions, scientist, etc, all say there is no other book on the planet that can compare. A simple research can find that easily.
But what makes you think that God is missing and doesn't care about us? What makes you think he's on vacation and just looking the other way? Thanks.

@caissad4 said
No

No, how did reality get here?