@ghost-of-a-duke saidHe started doing that when I told him that I agree with some of the atheists here that there are flaws and contradictions in the bible. He took that as a personal insult.
Every time you refer to him as a deceiver a little piece of your soul evaporates.
@rajk999 saidThat same failure applies to many people who have read the Bible and think of themselves as devout, and saved, Christians.
One of the failures of people who judge Christianity, or the teachings of Christ, from the outside without reading the bible themselves, is that they take certain extreme positions/doctrines of some churches and judge Christians by that yardstick.
Have you read the bible?
@medullah saidI agree. My understanding is that those who keep the law, even if they do not know they are keeping the law, and those who show mercy even though they do not worship or know the God of the Christians, will not be judged harshly. The Good Samaritan, for example, or the thief on the cross next to Jesus, will be blessed in the life to come.
I wouldn't go with this
If we are sayng that the two kiddie fiddlers leave it until the last minute to repent I would question wether there is true repentance, of whether they think that be making a last minute flip they will save their own necks. We don't get to judge (thankfully) but it sounds an unlikey situation. Repentance is from the heart, not what comes out of the ...[text shortened]... t have been exposed to Christianity, but have unwhittingly kept the law.
Good proposition though.
Those who wantonly sin, thinking, calculating, that if they repent on their death beds, they will be saved, are scoundrels, IMO.
@rajk999 saidSo why didn’t you tell him the whole truth about our conversation about how you view the Bible and use it against Christians?
Someone with some integrity and the ability to communicate would have continued on and explained the truth instead of saying that I lied.
@moonbus saidYes indeed, and nothing is wrong with thinking you are saved or even that you are devout. It is a problem if that makes you arrogant, and end up condemning others.
That same failure applies to many people who have read the Bible and think of themselves as devout, and saved, Christians.
@moonbus saidAnd all of those principles are in the bible, just that certain Christians conveniently ignore them.
I agree. My understanding is that those who keep the law, even if they do not know they are keeping the law, and those who show mercy even though they do not worship or know the God of the Christians, will not be judged harshly. The Good Samaritan, for example, or the thief on the cross next to Jesus, will be blessed in the life to come.
Those who wantonly sin, thinking, calculating, that if they repent on their death beds, they will be saved, are scoundrels, IMO.
@moonbus saidThey may be scoundrels, but they will still, according to believers of Christian doctrine, be saved and live everlastingly in Paradise.
I agree. My understanding is that those who keep the law, even if they do not know they are keeping the law, and those who show mercy even though they do not worship or know the God of the Christians, will not be judged harshly. The Good Samaritan, for example, or the thief on the cross next to Jesus, will be blessed in the life to come.
Those who wantonly sin, thinking, calculating, that if they repent on their death beds, they will be saved, are scoundrels, IMO.
This is disgraceful, like, as I have stated previously, the buying of indulgences. Christians are in effect saying that it really doesn’t matter how wicked you are in this life, so long as you say “I’m sorry.” Not a very good example of moral rectitude.
@pianoman1 saidI find it questionable as well, but we (Christians) are warned not to judge, in this case, because the deathbed confessional may be true and heartfelt. We can't see their heart, but God can. This is why I call Pascal's Wager a non-starter, because one of the givens in that argument is that one does not really believe. Since God can read your heart, you can't really "pull one over" on him.
They may be scoundrels, but they will still, according to believers of Christian doctrine, be saved and live everlastingly in Paradise.
This is disgraceful, like, as I have stated previously, the buying of indulgences. Christians are in effect saying that it really doesn’t matter how wicked you are in this life, so long as you say “I’m sorry.” Not a very good example of moral rectitude.