Is Atheism Dead ?

@fmf said
There is no need to get flustered.

Three questions arising...

1. So, are "the mechanics of life and the universe" STRONGER evidence of the existence of a creator being THAN the evidence your religion's scriptures layout?

2. And, are "the mechanics of life and the universe" evidence that "the creator being", if there is one, has revealed itself, its wishes, its promises a ...[text shortened]... egard to your own assertions about how the Christian God, specifically, has revealed Himself to you?

Before we jump to other topics, I'd like this one settled, and then you go into the ramifications about what all of this means. You believe there are no issues with the functional complexity in the universe, our goldilocks set up here on earth, and all of the universal properties that allow for life here, and then moving to life, its beginning, its maintenance, and if you wish to include evolving all of that can also occur without design, mindlessness, indifference chemical reactions could account for all of this too?

@kellyjay said
Before we jump to other topics, I'd like this one settled, and then you go into the ramifications about what all of this means. You believe there are no issues with the functional complexity in the universe, our goldilocks set up here on earth, and all of the universal properties that allow for life here, and then moving to life, its beginning, its maintenance, and if you wi ...[text shortened]... cur without design, mindlessness, indifference chemical reactions could account for all of this too?

I am not jumping to other topics.

Are you not going to answer my questions about your beliefs?

My agnostic atheist perspective with regard to what the universe and human consciousness might mean in terms of a creator being has not changed over the last ten or fifteen years or in the dozens and dozens of times I explained them to you during that time.

That's why I am asking you three questions [above] that you may not have considered before.

Don't back away.

@kellyjay said
You believe there are no issues with the functional complexity in the universe, our goldilocks set up here on earth, and all of the universal properties that allow for life here, and then moving to life, its beginning, its maintenance, and if you wish to include evolving all of that can also occur without design, mindlessness, indifference chemical reactions could account for all of this too?

You now seem to have repeated all this for a fourth time in just a couple of pages.

@fmf said
I am not jumping to other topics.

Are you not going to answer my questions about your beliefs?

My agnostic atheist perspective with regard to what the universe and human consciousness might mean in terms of a creator being has not changed over the last ten years or in the dozens and dozens of times I explained them to you during that time.

That's why I am asking you three questions [above] that you may not have considered before.

Don't back away.

I was clear.

@kellyjay said
I was clear.

And what about my three follow up questions?

@fmf said
You now seem to have repeated all this for a fourth time in just a couple of pages.

Do you have a point? Right now, without addressing the things I have been repeating ad nauseam, people want to change the subject to my religious beliefs, not the universe we live in, and look at all of the evidence we see. Who cares what my religious beliefs are about these things? What I believe about anything doesn't change the universe we live in; reality isn't going to change because KellyJay says this or that. We can look at it and decide if what people think makes sense according to what we see in the here and now.

@fmf said
And what about my three follow up questions?

What about what I have been asking?

@kellyjay said
What about what I have been asking?

If you don't understand, just say so. The three questions arise directly out of the statement you made a page ago and that I responded to.

@kellyjay said
Do you have a point? Right now, without addressing the things I have been repeating ad nauseam, people want to change the subject to my religious beliefs, not the universe we live in, and look at all of the evidence we see. Who cares what my religious beliefs are about these things?

You are apparently trying to decouple your religious beliefs from your belief in a creator being. Are you a deist then? Yes I do have a point, three in fact, implicit in the three questions you have still not addressed.

@kellyjay said
What about what I have been asking?

To my agnostic atheist way of thinking, I think the universe and consciousness represent the best evidence believers in a creator being have got. I have been explaining that to you for over a decade.

@fmf said
To my agnostic atheist way of thinking, I think the universe and consciousness represent the best evidence believers in a creator being have got. I have been explaining that to you for over a decade.

I think the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is the best evidence for a Creator.

@fmf said
If you don't understand, just say so. The three questions arise directly out of the statement you made a page ago and that I responded to.

Please start a new thread. I'll respond there; here, I'd like what we see and can know to be the point, not my religious views.

@fmf said
To my agnostic atheist way of thinking, I think the universe and consciousness represent the best evidence believers in a creator being have got. I have been explaining that to you for over a decade.

I believe it to be one of the significant points, but can we get to what we see without design?

@kellyjay said
Please start a new thread. I'll respond there; here, I'd like what we see and can know to be the point, not my religious views.

Don't run away. The questions are an organic response to what you said on THIS thread and also relate to what I see as some odd evasiveness in your chat with avalanchethecat, also on THIS thread.

@kellyjay said
I believe it to be one of the significant points, but can we get to what we see without design?

My three questions, still awaiting you, are about what you see as being design. You are seeking to decouple your faith from self-serving assertions about the origin of life. This belongs on THIS thread.