Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI don't think so. I know you think it can. I know you have described my condemnation of rape as being "incoherent" and that "it doesn't matter" if I condemn rape, and that it doesn't "make logical sense" if I condemn rape. I don't think it will change and you have declined to create a scenario in which it could or would. The wrongness of rape is something I feel strongly about but I don't need to intensify that sense of moral objection - or the impression I give others - by calling my opinion a "universal truth".
Can your claim that people who justify rape are wrong ever change?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI am now asking you: what aspect of homosexuality or homosexual behaviour do you deem to be immoral. So I am no longer making any claim about what you believe. I may have misunderstood what you said about morality as it pertains to homosexuality earlier on this thread. So, I withdraw my paraphrasing of your moral stance, and ask you, instead, what are your views on the moral soundness or unsoundness of homosexuality?
Quote my exact words where I said any of the words you are saying I have said.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI believe rape is wrong and I believe this moral stance of mine will not change. You have said repeatedly that I am supposedly open to justifying rape but you declined to offer a scenario or dilemma where this might happen.
Take your statement that you believe to be true, 'rape is wrong'. Can this 'truth' change?
Originally posted by FMFSo you agree that your exact words to me: "You have claimed that homosexuality is immoral" is a lie?
I am now asking you: what aspect of homosexuality or homosexual behaviour do you deem to be immoral. So I am no longer making any claim about what you believe. I may have misunderstood what you said about morality as it pertains to homosexuality earlier on this thread. So, I withdraw my paraphrasing of your moral stance, and ask you, instead, what are your views on the moral soundness or unsoundness of homosexuality?
Originally posted by FMFSo why won't you admit that your belief that rape is wrong is based on what you believe to be a truth that is unchanging?
I don't think so. I know you think it can. I know you have described my condemnation of rape as being "incoherent" and that "it doesn't matter" if I condemn rape, and that it doesn't "make logical sense" if I condemn rape. I don't think it will change and you have declined to create a scenario in which it could or would. The wrongness of rape is something I feel ...[text shortened]... f moral objection - or the impression I give others - by calling my opinion a "universal truth".
Originally posted by FMFI don't think you will ever justify rape because I think you believe that it is an unchanging truth that rape is wrong. Which is essentially what I believe.
I believe rape is wrong and I believe this moral stance of mine will not change. You have said repeatedly that I am supposedly open to justifying rape but you declined to offer a scenario or dilemma where this might happen.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkNo, not a lie. But I may be mistaken about what you said regarding the morality of homosexuality 10-20 pages ago. So, like I said in a previous post, I retract my paraphrasing of what you said, and ask you, instead, about what your views are on the moral soundness or unsoundness of homosexuality.
So you agree that your exact words to me: "You have claimed that homosexuality is immoral" is a lie?
Originally posted by FMFSo if you forgot what I said 10-20 pages ago, it is hypocritical of you to expect me to remember what you said a few months ago isn't it?
No, not a lie. But I may be mistaken about what you said regarding the morality of homosexuality 10-20 pages ago. So, like I said in a previous post, I retract my paraphrasing of what you said, and ask you, instead, about what your views are on the moral soundness or unsoundness of homosexuality.
Originally posted by FMFBut can you tell me why you believe the statement 'rape is wrong' is not a universal truth? Everything you have said seems to indicate that you actually believe that it is.
I make no claims about any of my views and perspectives in matters of spirituality or morality being "universal truths".
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI believe you do think homosexuality is immoral but I am withdrawing the claim that you stated it on this thread. Can you perhaps clarify? I offered my take on the morality of homosexuality on page 33 immediately as soon as you asked me about it. Is your take on the morality of homosexuality something you are willing to speak about?
So if you forgot what I said 10-20 pages ago, it is hypocritical of you to expect me to remember what you said a few months ago isn't it?
Originally posted by FMFSurely as an ex-Christian you should know what the Bible says about the issue?
I believe you do think homosexuality is immoral but I am withdrawing the claim that you stated it on this thread. Can you perhaps clarify? I offered my take on the morality of homosexuality on page 33 immediately as soon as you asked me about it. Is your take on the morality of homosexuality something you are willing to speak about?