Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIf you sincerely think they boil down to that, then I most certainly do think you are either are taking the piss or you just haven't been reading the content of the posts of mine you have been purporting to respond to.
All our pages and pages of discussion boil down to a simple question that you are not willing answer.
Is rape objectively wrong? Yes or No?
I am not interested in whether or not you want to attach the word "objective" to your condemnation of rape. I am not interested in whether or not you want to attach the word "objective" to my condemnation of rape.
I am not affected by your insistence that your personal opinions constitute "universal truths".
Rape is wrong. If there is a possible moral case to made that says that rape can be justified, lay one out and run it past me, and we'll see what you come up with.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkOn the contrary, I have answered this question and explained exactly why I have answered it in the way I have. You are refusing to engage my side of this debate.
You are yet again dodging the question. Is rape 'subjectively' wrong or 'objectively' wrong?
Originally posted by FMFBUMP.
Do the beliefs propagated by Church of Scientology also create "universal truths" that are binding on us all? And would an insistence that they do create "universal truths" that are binding on us all be "objectively true"?
I know why you are trying to blank out this question.
And you know why I am keen for you to answer it.
You obviously want to use certain terminology in a certain way, but you don't want to discuss the certain way in which you are using it.
Originally posted by FMFI am very interested in why you refuse to use the words 'objective' and 'subjective'? Clearly it seems you believe that rape is 'subjectively' wrong since you open to the possibility that rape is not wrong, and if you believed that rape is objectively wrong it would be a non-negotiable. So by dodging the question you have actually admitted that rape is subjectively wrong. You are just not willing to admit it. Why is that?
If you sincerely think they boil down to that, then I most certainly do think you are either are taking the piss or you just haven't been reading the content of the posts of mine you have been purporting to respond to.
I am not interested in whether or not you want to attach the word "objective" to your condemnation of rape. I am not interested in whether or ...[text shortened]... that rape can be justified, lay one out and run it past me, and we'll see what you come up with.
Originally posted by FMFYou have dodged the question once again. All I require from you is a yes or no. Is rape objectively wrong? Yes or No?
On the contrary, I have answered this question and explained exactly why I have answered it in the way I have. You are refusing to engage my side of this debate.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIf you feel the need to tell yourself that I am "open to the possibility that rape is not wrong", then that is a matter for you. I have condemned it. If people following this dialogue have also reached the conclusion that I am "open to the possibility that rape is not wrong", then I will just take that on the chin.
Clearly it seems you believe that rape is 'subjectively' wrong since you open to the possibility that rape is not wrong...
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI have already answered this question and, as I have pointed out [and you have ignored], and I have explained exactly why I have answered your question in the way I have ~ including addressing your use of words like "objective" and "universal" and "absolute" to label your viewpoints ~ something that you are just blanking out.
You have dodged the question once again. All I require from you is a yes or no. Is rape objectively wrong? Yes or No?
Originally posted by FMFDo the beliefs propagated by Church of Scientology also create "universal truths" that are binding on us all? And would an insistence that they do create "universal truths" that are binding on us all be "objectively true"?
BUMP.
I know why you are trying to blank out this question.
And you know why I am keen for you to answer it.
You obviously want to use certain terminology in a certain way, but you don't want to discuss the certain way in which you are using it.
This current discussion is not about the Church of Scientology, it is about rape. You are using it as a red herring because you don't want to admit that you believe, that the statement 'rape is wrong' is a not a universal truth that is not binding to us all.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkRape is wrong. If you believe that there is a scenario where someone might argue that it is morally justifiable, why don't you just say what that argument or scenario might be ~ and don't worry, I won't do anything silly and interpret what you suggest as being your own view on rape.
I am very interested in why you refuse to use the words 'objective' and 'subjective'? Clearly it seems you believe that rape is 'subjectively' wrong since you open to the possibility that rape is not wrong, and if you believed that rape is objectively wrong it would be a non-negotiable. So by dodging the question you have actually admitted that rape is subjectively wrong. You are just not willing to admit it. Why is that?
Originally posted by FMFA direct answer would be yes or no.
I have already answered this question and, as I have pointed out [and you have ignored], and I have explained exactly why I have answered your question in the way I have ~ including addressing your use of words like "objective" and "universal" and "absolute" to label your viewpoints ~ something that you are just blanking out.
FMF: Do the beliefs propagated by Church of Scientology also create "universal truths" that are binding on us all? And would an insistence that they do create "universal truths" that are binding on us all be "objectively true"?You are being very disingenuous. This discussion is also about your attachment of the terms "universal truths" and "objectively true" to your own opinions. Dodging my question about Church of Scientology is dodging and ignoring what it is that is being put to you in this discussion.
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
This current discussion is not about the Church of Scientology, it is about rape.
Originally posted by FMFI believe rape is objectively wrong. Do you?
Rape is wrong. If you believe that there is a scenario where someone might argue that it is morally justifiable, why don't you just say what that argument or scenario might be ~ and don't worry, I won't do anything silly and interpret what you suggest as being your own view on rape.
