Hitler

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If there is no objective standard for right and wrong, what makes your view that 'rape is wrong' objectively right and someone else's view 'that rape is ok', objectively wrong?

I have explained to you already - time and time again - what I believe are the sources of my moral sensibilities. And they are the same as yours.

Originally posted by FMF
Do the beliefs propagated by Church of Scientology also create "universal truths" that are binding on us all? And would an insistence that they do create "universal truths" that are binding on us all be "objectively true"?

BUMP

Originally posted by FMF
Do you rationalize your plagiarism as deceitful or not deceitful?

BUMP

Originally posted by FMF

I have addressed your use of the expression "personal preference" [and explored the role "personal preference" plays in the declarations you make about the universality of your own personal opinions] numerous times but you have just been blanking it out time and time again. If you are averse to discussing it, you ought to have the manners to stop bringing it up.

BUMP

Originally posted by FMF
I have explained to you already what I believe are the sources of my moral sensibilities. I have done so again and again and again. You choose to proceed as if I have not addressed this point, and you keep asking the same questions - albeit reworded or reframed - over and over and over and over again.

But if you do not believe that the sources of your moral sensibilities are objectively right, i.e based on an objective standard of right and wrong, (or a universal truth if you like) then it means your opinion cannot be any more correct than someone else's opinion who holds a different opinion to yours.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
We clearly have different beliefs about morality.

In so far as you as you express yourself as a staunchly doctrinaire ideologue as opposed to seeing morality as a function of our common humanity, maybe, but beyond that ~ and on a more general level that sets aside your outpouring of dogmatic declarations about yourself and your viewpoints ~ I believe we share the same sources for our morality.

Originally posted by FMF
In so far as you as you express yourself as a staunchly doctrinaire ideologue as opposed to seeing morality as a function of our common humanity, maybe, but beyond that ~ and on a more general level that sets aside your outpouring of dogmatic declarations about yourself and your viewpoints ~ I believe we share the same sources for our morality.

You are saying there is no objective standard for right and wrong yet you claim that rape is objectively wrong.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
BUMP

You're misusing the 'BUMP' concept. I have already answered that question, and have objected to you ignoring my answer and simply asking it over and over and over again. "BUMP" is dodging my observation about your behaviour, and then repeating the behaviour. It's at times like this that I believe the curtain flaps open somewhat.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You are saying there is no objective standard for right and wrong yet you claim that rape is objectively wrong.

I believe rape is wrong. I believe that someone who thinks it can be justified is wrong. I have already explained the source of my belief that rape is wrong and therefore why I would find a person who thinks rape can be justified to be wrong. I am not interested in whether or not you attach the labels "objective" or "subjective" to the these conflicting views and to the disagreements between two such people. If this makes you think that one day I will claim that rape can be justified or that I might go on to murder 6,000,000 people and claim that it is morally sound to do so ~ if you need to tell yourself these things ~ then so be it.

Originally posted by FMF
You're misusing the 'BUMP' concept. I have already answered that question, and have objected to you ignoring my answer and simply asking it over and over and over again. "BUMP" is dodging my observation about your behaviour, and then repeating the behaviour. It's at times like this that I believe the curtain flaps open somewhat.

You are not willing to admit that if there is no objective standard for right and wrong you cannot say that anyone's view on morality is objectively wrong. Yet you still believe that your view that rape is wrong is objectively right and that anyone who believes differently is objectively wrong.

Originally posted by FMF
I believe rape is wrong. I believe that someone who thinks it can be justified is wrong. I have already explained the source of my belief that rape is wrong and therefore why I would find a person who thinks rape can be justified to be wrong. I am not interested in whether or not you attach the labels "objective" or "subjective" to the these conflicting views an ...[text shortened]... m that it is morally sound to do so ~ if you need to tell yourself these things ~ then so be it.

Is the statement, "rape is wrong" objectively true? Yes or No?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You are not willing to admit that if there is no objective standard for right and wrong you cannot say that anyone's view on morality is objectively wrong. Yet you still believe that your view that rape is wrong is objectively right and that anyone who believes differently is objectively wrong.

I have been addressing your claims about an "objective standard for right and wrong" and about you declaring your viewpoints to be "universal truths" for pages and pages and pages of this thread, but you have been simply blanking out what I say and the substance of my contributions to this attempt I am making to discuss this topic with you.

Pages and pages of my responses and observations and questions being ignored. And here you are again, having ignored what I am saying, bizarrely seeking to reduce the whole thing - our whole disagreement - to simply a case of me not "admitting" something (one of your bog standard rhetorical gimmicks - Ghost of a Duke pointed it out earlier on this thread). It's boring. Or maybe you are bored and that's why you just taking the piss?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Is the statement, "rape is wrong" objectively true? Yes or No?

Rape is wrong. If you disagree, then make your case.

Originally posted by FMF
I have been addressing your claims about an "objective standard for right and wrong" and about you declaring your viewpoints to be "universal truths" for pages and pages and pages of this thread, but you have been simply blanking out what I say and the substance of my contributions to this attempt I am making to discuss this topic with you.

Pages and pages o ...[text shortened]... er on this thread). It's boring. Or maybe you are bored and that's why you just taking the piss?

All our pages and pages of discussion boil down to a simple question that you are not willing answer.

Is rape objectively wrong? Yes or No?