25 Aug 21
@eladar saidThe fact that you are still banging on about this largely irrelevant point strongly suggests that you are either arguing simply for the sake of argument, or that you just don't understand Jesus' message at all. The implication you draw is unsound.
I am educating you on Jesus' teachings and what Jesus believed, not what I believe.
By the way Jesus calls God, who ordered the genocide, good. This implied Jesus believed the genocide was good. I am not sure if you are going to accept this because it is the truth according to the Bible.
25 Aug 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI am not ignoring it. God defines love differently than you do. That is why you are on the road to destruction.
So why ignore:
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.'
25 Aug 21
@avalanchethecat saidThe fact that your belief about who Jesus was and what he taught being completely false is irrelevant?
The fact that you are still banging on about this largely irrelevant point strongly suggests that you are either arguing simply for the sake of argument, or that you just don't understand Jesus' message at all. The implication you draw is unsound.
25 Aug 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidPlease quote the "in everyone's heart" verse. The exact words please.
I've told you at least twice that the Bible says the law is written on everyone's heart but that individuals don't have to act (being autonomous individuals) according to their conscience, such as the thief. Romans warns of the consequences of this.
Will you be asking this question again?
25 Aug 21
@eladar saidI refer you to the post by Medullah:
Please quote the "in everyone's heart" verse. The exact words please.
14' For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves.'
People of the nations are all peoples.
@eladar saidFalse according to you, and you've not even managed to demonstrate that. All you've done is show how it's possible to interpret scripture to support your own hateful prejudices (which is not something new). Although you have to ignore a lot of it to manage that, and pretend that 'love' means something other than love in certain contexts. Frankly, your arguments are all so tenuous, I'm now fairly confident that you're just trolling.
The fact that your belief about who Jesus was and what he taught being completely false is irrelevant?
@avalanchethecat saidNo, false according to the Bible. I suppose requiring the information to accurately represent Jesus' teaching is according to the Bible is my belief me.
False according to you, and you've not even managed to demonstrate that. All you've done is show how it's possible to interpret scripture to support your own hateful prejudices (which is not something new). Although you have to ignore a lot of it to manage that, and pretend that 'love' means something other than love in certain contexts. Frankly, your arguments are all so tenuous, I'm now fairly confident that you're just trolling.
25 Aug 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI do not see in everyone's heart. I see in a select group's heart.
I refer you to the post by Medullah:
14' For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves.'
People of the nations are all peoples.
Maybe you can explain how that scripture says everyone. Thanks
25 Aug 21
@medullah saidSo why do you ignore the rest?
The nations are exactly what it says, so everyone is in a nation of some form.
who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves.'
Only those who do by nature the requirements of the law are being identified. You can find these kind of people in all nations. This is not the same thing as everyone in the nation carries out the requirement of the law.
25 Aug 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI don't know of anyone that would tolerate a kiddie fiddler, it's still the one thing that society will not accept, although there is currently an attempt to change the perspective and call it "age gap love".
I don't know enough about the Canaanites to validate your claims about them or how accurate and uninflated there are. (The vanquished don't write the history books). I do however know the Israelites wanted the land the Canaanites were occupying and that genocide is more palatable when the victims are demonized.
But assuming the Canaanites were indeed as bad as you ...[text shortened]... sider depraved. Does that make it okay to wipe them out in their entirety, man, woman, child, beast?
I would recommend that you read up on the Canaanites, as if you know little you are very much blind in the discussion, and there are cults today that keep the practices going.
In Deuteronomy 9:5 the bible records the words of God as speaking to the Israelites
"It is not because of your righteousness or the uprightness of your heart that you are going in to take possession of their land. Instead, it is because of the wickedness of these nations "
I understand your point, but do you think it "all right" to let a culture to survive that advocates the systematic abuse of children as a core tenet?
I have no sympathy on this one.
25 Aug 21
@avalanchethecat saidAgreed.
The fact that you are still banging on about this largely irrelevant point strongly suggests that you are either arguing simply for the sake of argument, or that you just don't understand Jesus' message at all. The implication you draw is unsound.
It smacks of not wanting a debate but to twist matters or be obtuse to have a bit of fun.
25 Aug 21
@medullah saidBut the divine punishment saw the destruction of everything that breathed, including the very same children being abused, yes?
I understand your point, but do you think it "all right" to let a culture to survive that advocates the systematic abuse of children as a core tenet?
I have no sympathy on this one.
If a modern-day country was identified that advocated the systematic abuse of children, you would see no problem with wiping them all out, including the children themselves? Is that really your position?