08 Sep 22
@divegeester saidIf the text doesn’t make it clear why do you think I would know?
I acknowledge your inability to address the most basic of questions.
08 Sep 22
@kellyjay said"I see it as we are reaping what we sow."
I see it as we are reaping what we sow. Before the fall everything pointed towards
life, after the fall it all points towards death. Do you see evil, or do you think that
it's something we make up?
So, finally, a straight answer, for which I suppose I should be grateful. 'It' is innocent lives being made miserable and painful (according to your beliefs) by your loving and merciful god. I haven't read the bible since I was about eight years old, but isn't there something in there about "offending these little ones, and millstones around necks"? And yet there is your god, 'offending' them before they are even born. Such hypocrisy, and yet you can't see it, can you??
'Evil' is one word which we use to define morally repugnant acts, such as murder of innocents, rape, child molestation and abuse, (I refer you to your god for that one) , and so on, so yes, I see 'evil', and do none of the above, any more than I assume do you.
You ramble on about moral compasses, which by dint of reading this forum I think is not a useful analogy, but if it's one you wish to use then I think you should take a long, hard look at yours; it's leading you up the garden path to that great pile of rubbish (garbage) at the end of the garden, and the sooner it's burned and gone forever the better place the world will be.
08 Sep 22
@indonesia-phil saidAccording to your beliefs what is going on, is it nothing but the natural order of
"I see it as we are reaping what we sow."
So, finally, a straight answer, for which I suppose I should be grateful. 'It' is innocent lives being made miserable and painful (according to your beliefs) by your loving and merciful god. I haven't read the bible since I was about eight years old, but isn't there something in there about "offending these little ones, and ...[text shortened]... e end of the garden, and the sooner it's burned and gone forever the better place the world will be.
things? It is still the same set of facts we are talking about, the universe does not
alter itself when someone professes your stance or mine does it? The distinction
you are making with your judgment calls looking at the pain and suffering is that
it has nothing to do with morals, or does it?
Finally a straight answer, please, if I say reap what we sow, or consequences for
our actions, it is the same thing. We pollute our gene pool then we have a
polluted gene pool and it gets carried from generation to generation.
Your point of view on this is, like Dawkin's maybe, no rhyme or reason, DNA is
what it is and we dance to its music?
09 Sep 22
@kellyjay saidThe “text” was your post, your woolly assertion which I was replying to and dissecting.
If the text doesn’t make it clear why do you think I would know?
As usual you are in an intellectual corner of your own making; underpants at ankles, thumb in mouth, unable to reciprocate with any honesty.
09 Sep 22
@divegeester saidThe text is scripture dive, it doesn't tell why God allowed that to occur. Pay
The “text” was your post, your woolly assertion which I was replying to and dissecting.
As usual you are in an intellectual corner of your own making; underpants at ankles, thumb in mouth, unable to reciprocate with any honesty.
attention, grade school insults may feel good to you, but they play no part in
a serious discussion as crucial as evil, they only show how completely
unserious you truly are.
09 Sep 22
@kellyjay saidA mocker is in danger of hell, right.
The text is scripture dive, it doesn't tell why God allowed that to occur. Pay
attention, grade school insults may feel good to you, but they play no part in
a serious discussion as crucial as evil, they only show how completely
unserious you truly are.
09 Sep 22
@kellyjay saidThe “text” is your words KellyJay not “scripture.
The text is scripture dive, it doesn't tell why God allowed that to occur. Pay
attention, grade school insults may feel good to you, but they play no part in
a serious discussion as crucial as evil, they only show how completely
unserious you truly are.
Try to keep up!!
Here’s what you said and my question in reply.
@kellyjay said
I see it as we are reaping what we sow. Before the fall everything pointed towards life, after the fall it all points towards death.
My reply and question
If everything before the fall “pointed towards life” (whatever that means), then why was the serpent permitted access to the Garden of Eden?
09 Sep 22
@divegeester saidExactly what in anything I said or do you read in scripture tells us why God allowed the serpent in the garden?
The “text” is your words KellyJay not “scripture.
Try to keep up!!
Here’s what you said and my question in reply.
@kellyjay said
I see it as we are reaping what we sow. Before the fall everything pointed towards life, after the fall it all points towards death.
My reply and question
If everything before the fall “pointed towards life” (whatever that means), then why was the serpent permitted access to the Garden of Eden?
@kellyjay saidStop being such an intellectual weasel and just address the question.
Exactly what in anything I said or do you read in scripture tells us why God allowed the serpent in the garden?
You made the assertion: “everything before the fall “pointed towards life”
So I’m therefore asking you… then why was the serpent permitted access to the Garden of Eden?
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@divegeester saidBecause he paid @Russ double? 🤷🏻♂️
So I’m therefore asking you… then why was the serpent permitted access to the Garden of Eden?
10 Sep 22
@divegeester saidThe reason I said everything pointed to life that was the design, and God’s command be fruitful and multiply.
Stop being such an intellectual weasel and just address the question.
You made the assertion: “everything before the fall “pointed towards life”
So I’m therefore asking you… then why was the serpent permitted access to the Garden of Eden?
After the fall that changed.
Why God permitted the serpent into the garden it doesn’t say. Your repeatedly asking a question no one can answer, isn’t going to change that.
Do you claim to know?
@kellyjay saidAs the serpent was permitted into the garden by god, then clearly your claim “everything pointed towards life” is incorrect.
The reason I said everything pointed to life that was the design, and God’s command be fruitful and multiply.
After the fall that changed.
Why God permitted the serpent into the garden it doesn’t say. Your repeatedly asking a question no one can answer, isn’t going to change that.
Do you claim to know?
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10 Sep 22
@divegeester saidTell it to @BigDogg, little mister crikey-pants.
A mocker is in danger of hell, right.
10 Sep 22
@divegeester saidDid it point to death?
As the serpent was permitted into the garden by god, then clearly your claim “everything pointed towards life” is incorrect.
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