@petewxyz saidWell, it was you ~ not me ~ who said earlier on this thread: "I try and approach most things from a position of not understanding and not knowing. I think you learn more from others that way and I don't think this is a disingenuous stance...". Were you being disingenuous after all, then?
I think you also probably believe your observations are valid. I would imagine with great certainty.
Sure. I know and understand stuff about what faith and belief are, what atheism is, what conversion and loss of faith are, and I understand the word "ethics". So, yes, I try to share what I think are valid observations. Why wouldn't I?
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@petewxyz saidI think you just need show some intellectually integrity and acknowledge that your assertion saying that a true atheist was one who became a theist on their deathbed was completely wrong, instead of hemming hawing with all this “poorly chosen words” rhetoric.
Not only a fair point but the whole point I was making. The other rather clumsy sentence was to illustrate the point by saying that apparent deathbed conversion may well simply be symptomatic of the person truly still being an atheist.
I shall have to chose my words more carefully but perhaps feeling like I am back at work isn't something I seek and I have misunderstood ...[text shortened]... ersation in the pub which is thankfully returning. Asking people their favourite colour over a beer.
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@petewxyz saidI’m not clear what is “valid” in your claim that the only true atheists are those who become theists on their deathbeds.
Looks like Kegge and me also don't always pick the best language whilst making valid observations, this could work.
It’s nothing to do with “language” which is you just running away from being wrong.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidWell said.
We've all be there old chap. In this forum in particular, quickly own an erroneous statement, never double-down.
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@divegeester saidI think the Duchess is the best exemplar of such a behaviour, digging a hole deeper for herself rather than holding her hands up to an error of judgment or false statement.
Well said.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidTo clarify the above, I wasn't comparing Pete to the Duchess. That would be unfair on anybody.
I think the Duchess is the best exemplar of such a behaviour, digging a hole deeper for herself rather than holding her hands up to an error of judgment or false statement.
I am usually able to make myself understood, but of course that does depend on the willingness of the listener to understand. I will take the distribution of green and red thumbs to indicate that this has been more about the willingness of the listener and make no further attempt to explain my comments.
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@petewxyz saidYou made yourself very clear, people listened and understood and replied. There is only one comment you need to address and it’s this one from page 1 which you have been running away from for several pages...
I am usually able to make myself understood, but of course that does depend on the willingness of the listener to understand. I will take the distribution of green and red thumbs to indicate that this has been more about the willingness of the listener and make no further attempt to explain my comments.
”The sign of true atheism should be accepting the comfort of religious conversion on the deathbed.”
Of course you can find solace in the “distribution of thumbs” if that eases the burden of intellectual honesty being asked of you.
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@divegeester saidSee my comment at 11.23
You made yourself very clear, people listened and understood and replied. There is only one comment you need to address and it’s this one from page 1 which you have been running away from for several pages...
”The sign of true atheism should be accepting the comfort of religious conversion on the deathbed.”
Of course you can find solace in the “distribution of thumbs” if that eases the burden of intellectual honesty being asked of you.
@petewxyz saidWelcome to the Spirituality forum.
I think that admittedly badly worded sentence is being taken out of context of the post it was in. As opposed to anybody wishing to find the meaning of the post they seem to want me to defend a position that I wasn't trying to talk about. It's a shame because I think there is a potentially interesting conversation about the implications of believing 100% that the end of life ...[text shortened]... st that was ill worded and not the point of the post or I might find myself in very strange company.
That's just how it is here.
Believe me, you don't have to agree with it to post here, and you also don't have to endlessly answer every minute stick in the mud who tries to gaslight the forum with their idea of you as a 'know-nothing'.
You'll learn who wishes actual conversation and who wishes to just piss on everything you say.
Remember, this is a forum of ideas, despite that some seem to think that the one with the most words wins.
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@petewxyz saidThis poat by you is an example of the "doubling down" Ghost of a Duke mentioned.
I am usually able to make myself understood, but of course that does depend on the willingness of the listener to understand. I will take the distribution of green and red thumbs to indicate that this has been more about the willingness of the listener and make no further attempt to explain my comments.