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@metal-brain saidLOL alarmism. You've posted articles on this thread about a million people dying in Fukushima, about the nonexistent "dangers" of Fukushima radiation reaching the California coast, speculation about the radioactive water being released into the bloody Pacific Ocean (as if that could possibly pose a danger to human health), not to mention that unpublished article that overturned hundreds of years of established physics. All of these were unequivocal nonsense, fear mongering speculation.
Calculated risk? In other words an estimate. Estimates do not prove safety.
CO2 is beneficial to the planet. The burning of fossil fuels is good for plants and the people that eat them. Your political leanings have convinced you a good thing is bad because of propaganda. Man is not even the main cause of global warming. Sea level rise proves that.
Why do you believe ala ...[text shortened]... pretend.
The science proves global warming is not a threat to coral reefs. Stop ignoring science!
@wildgrass saidThe irony of it all. You propose that estimates are truly representative of your assertions, yet you claim other estimates are wrong merely because they do not represent your assertions?
LOL alarmism. You've posted articles on this thread about a million people dying in Fukushima, about the nonexistent "dangers" of Fukushima radiation reaching the California coast, speculation about the radioactive water being released into the bloody Pacific Ocean (as if that could possibly pose a danger to human health), not to mention that unpublished article that overtu ...[text shortened]... ation causes climate change? This is the science forum, take the speculation and politics elsewhere.
@metal-brain said1) This is a gross misinterpretation of the position that's been held throughout this thread.
The irony of it all. You propose that estimates are truly representative of your assertions, yet you claim other estimates are wrong merely because they do not represent your assertions?
You have to do better than that.
Once again, the atmosphere is not the same as a lab experiment. Increased warming results in more clouds that block sunlight. Water vapor is not just ...[text shortened]... earth has such an incredibly stable climate. That is true science. You are in denial of the science.
Boisvert notes that “when we think harder about the specific problems global warming poses—problems of water management, agricultural productivity, cooling and construction—the threat becomes less daunting. Our logistic and technical capacities are burgeoning, and they give us ample means of addressing these problems.”
Greens fear that optimism will foster complacency and hence undermine activism. But I find the essays of Pinker and Boisvert inspiring, not enervating. I plan to assign the essays to my students, who have become quite gloomy lately. These days, despair is a bigger problem than optimism.
@wildgrass saidWhat consensus? You have been falsely claiming a consensus that does not exist. Until you can be honest about it you need to stop fooling yourself. Rumor is not fact.
1) This is a gross misinterpretation of the position that's been held throughout this thread.
2) These "other estimates" you discuss are not proportionate to the consensus. When you have hundreds of careful scientists in multiple disciplines all reaching the same conclusion, but then you have a few fringe groups countering that, they should not be given equal weight unl ...[text shortened]... vable.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/should-we-chill-out-about-global-warming/
@metal-brain saidRight. You're hyperbloviating again. Get every scientist who currently exists in a room to come to a consensus and you'd be on about the one guy who disagreed died last Tuesday. Let's instead debate the possible existence of a consensus we landed on the moon. Lots of skeptics out there, so maybe there isn't a consensus.
What consensus? You have been falsely claiming a consensus that does not exist. Until you can be honest about it you need to stop fooling yourself. Rumor is not fact.
Declaring a problem where there is none is foolish. You have not even established there is a problem. How can you solve a problem when there is no proof the problem exists? Rumor doesn't prove anything an ...[text shortened]... cate a nefarious plot to mislead for wealth expropriation.
Why do you blindly believe the liars?
@wildgrass saidThere is no consensus. Get it through your thick skull! A majority of a minority is still a minority. You need a majority to have an actual consensus. You don't!
Right. You're hyperbloviating again. Get every scientist who currently exists in a room to come to a consensus and you'd be on about the one guy who disagreed died last Tuesday. Let's instead debate the possible existence of a consensus we landed on the moon. Lots of skeptics out there, so maybe there isn't a consensus.
Your position on the consensus is asinine and pueri ...[text shortened]... e about the lack of something that cannot exist. Read the article. Its about your friend Dr. Pinker.
@metal-brain saidIs CO2 lagging behind temp increases now? I think you're mistaken. CO2 went up. Then temp went up. We weren't burning trillions of tons of carbon in the past, so there's no real point of comparison.
There is no consensus. Get it through your thick skull! A majority of a minority is still a minority. You need a majority to have an actual consensus. You don't!
Poll every climate scientist and the majority will say GW is mostly natural. The whole GW movement was started by a liar. Gore still will not debate anyone. He will only appear alone so he doesn't get called o ...[text shortened]... f a big lie? You are either in favor of the truth being revealed or you are against it. Which is it?
@wildgrass saidWater shortages and food shortages because of GW is a lie. Until you can present an article that does not contain false assertions like that why should anybody believe those ridiculous alarmist claims? Liars have no credibility! Why are you so fargin dogmatic? You just discredited yourself by promoting an article that lies!
Is CO2 lagging behind temp increases now? I think you're mistaken. CO2 went up. Then temp went up. We weren't burning trillions of tons of carbon in the past, so there's no real point of comparison.
What did you think of the article?
@metal-brain saidNo big deal?? So the nutritional value of rice goes to hell because of increase in CO2?
No big deal. Anything that causes plants to grow faster is going to have that relatively insignificant effect.
Irrigation causes the same thing. Are you going to demonize water now?
@sonhouse saidAs if that amount is significant. You are resorting to confirmation bias.
No big deal?? So the nutritional value of rice goes to hell because of increase in CO2?
Seems like that is just the tip of the iceberg. I bet many more plants will show nutritional losses like that.
In Alaska, where I used to live they have a very long daylight time in the summer and I saw the effect of some plants like strawberries responding only to many more hours p ...[text shortened]... Trump has killed the USDA also and no more science about crops will be forthcoming from these labs.
@metal-brain saidAmount of what?
As if that amount is significant. You are resorting to confirmation bias.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
@metal-brain saidStop calling everything you disagree with a lie. Provide a reference if you think the information is incorrect. From this it seems you've already decided what the false assertions are before digesting any of the evidence.
Water shortages and food shortages because of GW is a lie. Until you can present an article that does not contain false assertions like that why should anybody believe those ridiculous alarmist claims? Liars have no credibility! Why are you so fargin dogmatic? You just discredited yourself by promoting an article that lies!
We have the same amount of CO2 now as during ...[text shortened]... if they don't like it. Democrats have bought into the tactics of Fascists. How do you justify that?
@wildgrass said"Food shortages are one of the most obvious realities of a warming planet. It's bizarre that you would call that a lie."
Stop calling everything you disagree with a lie. Provide a reference if you think the information is incorrect. From this it seems you've already decided what the false assertions are before digesting any of the evidence.
The article is very positive. It's not at all the "alarmism" you keep talking about but fail to accurately document. Food shortages are one of the most ...[text shortened]... pulation is growing and our land mass will soon be shrinking. Do you doubt both of those assertions?