@metal-brain saidhttps://sciencedocbox.com/Physics/114487853-Time-dilation-in-the-global-positioning-system-has-implications-for-the-theory-of-gravity.html
Nope. They don't say that at all.
"...it is clear that gravity causes time dilation..."
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/2041-8205/734/1/L19/pdf
"...Raymond Ang ́elil and Prasenjit SahaInstitute for Theoretical Physics, University of Z ̈urich,
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Hence, gravity causes time dilation
..."
-exactly as I said.
Since you deny those links say that, just look at them yourself and come back to us.
@humy saidGive me a longer excerpt so I know what to look for. I'm not going to read the whole articles to find a needle in a haystack. Even if it says that it isn't an Einstein quote. Quoting unknown people using a confirmation bias doesn't prove anything. It is ironic that one of the articles you posted was about GPS which I proved was not dependent on GR after you and sonhouse stubbornly claimed was just like you are doing now. Your unreasonable dogmatism is becoming a pattern here. Remember what Einstein said was the definition of insanity?
https://sciencedocbox.com/Physics/114487853-Time-dilation-in-the-global-positioning-system-has-implications-for-the-theory-of-gravity.html
"...it is clear that gravity causes time dilation..."
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/2041-8205/734/1/L19/pdf
"...Raymond Ang ́elil and Prasenjit SahaInstitute for Theoretical Physics, University of Z ̈urich,
...
Henc ...[text shortened]... tly as I said.
Since you deny those links say that, just look at them yourself and come back to us.
If Einstein's theory of GR was not based on time dilation causing gravity then it should be easy for you to find a quote from him saying what you claim. You keep failing to do that because it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist because you are wrong, just like with the GPS myth I proved wrong.
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@metal-brain saidYou can EASILY and QUICKLY find the quote just by going to the link and then pressing the control button (the control button is right on the very bottom very left hand side on your computer keyboard and is marked with the letters Ctrl ) and then, while your finger is still pressing down the control button (else this won't work), then press the letter F buttons on your computer keyboard and you will then instantly see this activates the word search and then, just like you can do in almost any website to do a word search on its text, just type in the words "gravity causes time dilation" in the search field of the word search and then press the next-line-down button on your computer keyboard (right on the right side of your keyboard and marked with a bent arrow) then you will see it take you immediately to those words and with them clearly highlighted. This should take you to do all that about only 5 seconds. So you are talking BS; you do NOT NEED to "read the whole article".
Give me a longer excerpt so I know what to look for.
I'm not going to read the whole articles to find a needle in a haystackand you don't have to because I just gave you that "needle in a haystack"
Here is that "needle in a haystack" yet again for you;
"gravity causes time dilation"
Do you STILL deny the links quote the above and shout "LIAR" to me for asserting that the link says this above?
Follow my simple instructions for extremely quick word search and come back to us.
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@humy saidFind a quote by Einstein. Nothing less will do.
You can EASILY and QUICKLY find the quote just by going to the link and then pressing the control button (the control button is right on the very bottom very left hand side on your computer keyboard and is marked with the letters Ctrl ) and then, while your finger is still pressing down the control button (else this won't work), then press the letter F buttons on your computer k ...[text shortened]... says this above?
Follow my simple instructions for extremely quick word search and come back to us.
You are claiming gravity causes time dilation and that Einstein said so. Find a quote by Einstein or admit you are wrong. I have my own source of information that contradicts yours. Do you accept that as proof?
@Metal-Brain
You have such a limited range of knowledge in relativity and quantum physics it really doesn't pay anyone here to keep arguing with you.
It would be one thing if you were of the stature of Deep Thought or Kaze or Humy but you are not and never will be, instead choosing someone to hang your coattails on and parroting their thoughts with no regard to the educational level of those trying their best to educate you. You clearly have no respect for the scientists here at RHP and ONLY on the guy you select as 'Your" guy and from thence forth, he is THE expert and everyone here, including active Phd's are all dullards not worth the respect of even listening to them, instead, just dissing them as if they were middle school students.
It makes you look very small.
@metal-brain saidSo now I just proved I was right about that and you were wrong because I didn't lie, instead just for once in your life be a man and admit you were wrong, you just move the goal posts.
Find a quote by Einstein.
You fool nobody here.
And, no, I won't waste my time finding a quote by Einstein only for it to be trashed by you.
You are claiming gravity causes time dilation and that Einstein said so.
No, I am not claiming Einstein said so but rather, as many scientists have been saying, it was implied by his equations and so far you have provided no evidence to the contrary. I have already told you that many times.
@sonhouse saidIt would be one thing if you, Deep Thought, Kaze or Humy were of the stature of Brian Greene but all of you are not and never will be.
@Metal-Brain
You have such a limited range of knowledge in relativity and quantum physics it really doesn't pay anyone here to keep arguing with you.
It would be one thing if you were of the stature of Deep Thought or Kaze or Humy but you are not and never will be, instead choosing someone to hang your coattails on and parroting their thoughts with no regard to the educati ...[text shortened]... , instead, just dissing them as if they were middle school students.
It makes you look very small.
@humy saidTime dilation causes gravity as Brian Greene has been saying, it was implied by Einstein's equations and so far you have provided no evidence to the contrary.
So now I just proved I was right about that and you were wrong because I didn't lie, instead just for once in your life be a man and admit you were wrong, you just move the goal posts.
You fool nobody here.
And, no, I won't waste my time finding a quote by Einstein only for it to be trashed by you.
[quote] You are claiming gravity causes time dilation and that Einstein sa ...[text shortened]... s and so far you have provided no evidence to the contrary. I have already told you that many times.
If you understood Einstein's equations like Brian Greene does you would realize you are wrong. Instead you bluff and pretend you understand what you obviously do not.
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@metal-brain saidYou so far haven't shown me evidence that Brian Greene ever said time dilation causes gravity and you have so far given me no reason to suspect he ever said that or even merely implied that.
Time dilation causes gravity as Brian Greene has been saying,
I tried googling " "Brian Greene" "time dilation causes gravity" " and got nothing but your crap you personally said on this forum, NOT any quote from Brian Greene.
Why don't you just for once show me evidence of that Brian Greene ever said time dilation causes gravity? Answer; he probably never said it.
@humy saidThen what is he talking about here?
You so far haven't shown me evidence that Brian Greene ever said time dilation causes gravity and you have so far given me no reason to suspect he ever said that or even merely implied that.
I tried googling " "Brian Greene" "time dilation causes gravity" " and got nothing but your crap you personally said on this forum, NOT any quote from Brian Greene.
Why don't you just for ...[text shortened]... ence of that Brian Greene ever said time dilation causes gravity? Answer; he probably never said it.
http://www.briangreene.org/portfolio/light-falls/
Denial is not enough. You must explain what he is talking about. It is obvious to anyone who is unbiased that Greene is talking about time dilation. Only a moron would deny that and expect people to believe it. It is obvious!
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@metal-brain saidExactly where does he say/imply "time dilation causes gravity"?
Then what is he talking about here?
http://www.briangreene.org/portfolio/light-falls/
This just confirms my suspicion he doesn't.
If you deny this then why don't you give the exact time to the minute where he DOES say/imply "time dilation causes gravity"?
How many minutes into the video is shown at the bottom of the video frame thus this should be a trivial task for you to do IF you are telling the truth and, if you don't do this, we will all know why.
@humy saidFor the third time, about one hour into the program.
Exactly where does he say/imply "time dilation causes gravity"?
This just confirms my suspicion he doesn't.
If you deny this then why don't you give the exact time to the minute where he DOES say/imply "time dilation causes gravity"?
How many minutes into the video is shown at the bottom of the video frame thus this should be a trivial task for you to do IF you are telling the truth and, if you don't do this, we will all know why.
I have quoted him before many times from "light Falls" to demonstrate how obvious it is that he is talking about time dilation.
Since you have not seen it yet, you are obviously ignoring the proof I have offered you many times before. This makes it obvious you ignore facts when it is convenient.
You are disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing.
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@metal-brain saidNo good. Tell me exactly where to the minute. If you don't, we all know why.
For the third time, about one hour into the program.
I will not not wasting my time searching for the said relevant quote which probably doesn't exist.
@humy said...because you don't have time to watch an hour and a half program about Einstein, right? Learning is not your goal here, it is to troll and avoid facts whenever possible.
No good. Tell me exactly where to the minute. If you don't, we all know why.
I will not not wasting my time searching for the said relevant quote which probably doesn't exist.