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@Very-Rusty saidEh?
Trevor,
Selective Memory? I am sure you remember what we use to call Non-Paying Subscribers. It wasn't very nice really, but did get some to buy.
Then along came Ghost told us the error of our ways Russ agreed and I did too that we had been using it far to long and it very well could be chasing new people away.
There was another expression we use to use when someone was leaving the Site.
Do you re-call?
-VR
@Michael-Martin saidOkay, here's the plot.
Ghost never has got the plot has he.
Although you no longer put in 40 hours a week, as you did in the early years of your clan development, you've stated most weeks now are still no less than 25 hours of work. (I can quote you on this if you'd like? - You said, "Some weeks I only put ten hours in. But most of the time it's never less then 25 hours, and I still put 40 hours." )
Nobody else on the site (literally nobody) can put in so much time NOR should they. The clan feature should be relatively simply to get up and running for any clan leader and require no more than a reasonable amount of effort for an online chess site. It absolutely should not require more hours than many people put it to their paid job.
The result of your 'over effort' is a clan season already decided before it has barely started. This is clearly bad news on any competitive level. A healthy clan system should have multiple clans competing shoulder to shoulder for the top spot (just as is the case in almost every other competition on the planet).
Bottom line, if you are unable to control yourself, measures need to be put in place to do this for you. (Such as an agreed cap on the number of yearly challenges).
It shouldn't all be about quantity.
@My-King-And-I saidThis would also require a player to play for only one clan.
Obviously a separate clan rating for each player is needed and most agreed with that and the ones that don't obviously want the system to stay the same way so they can keep abusing the system.
Now for points...
Forget the current points system and do a plus/minus score for each player.
Win a game and your player is plus one.
Lose or resign and your back to zero. ...[text shortened]... to lower their rating for clan games and resigning any clan games would hurt your plus/minus score.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidIt's good for the clan leaders who play within the rules and work as hard as they can at it. I don't know why you insist on complaining. To be honest the rules Russ has installed are perfect. Rusty put really good ideas out there but it appears you just want it to benefit you guys. Such a shame. I expected more from you.
I note this post of yours was alerted but was rightly kept up by the mods.
This clan season is already decided a couple of months in. That's not good for anybody.
@Michael-Martin saidIn contrast, I didn't expect more from you.
It's good for the clan leaders who play within the rules and work as hard as they can at it. I don't know why you insist on complaining. To be honest the rules Russ has installed are perfect. Rusty put really good ideas out there but it appears you just want it to benefit you guys. Such a shame. I expected more from you.
For someone who puts so many hours of effort into your clan, you really should put more effort into understanding what is being discussed here and the impact you personally are having on the clan feature. (And not in a good way).
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@Michael-Martin saidThey're far from perfect. We're 3 months into the new year and only 9 clans have at least 100 gross points. 100 points is only winning 10, 5 man challenges. It's not lot but yet we only have 9.
It's good for the clan leaders who play within the rules and work as hard as they can at it. I don't know why you insist on complaining. To be honest the rules Russ has installed are perfect. Rusty put really good ideas out there but it appears you just want it to benefit you guys. Such a shame. I expected more from you.
People have been leaving the clan system for years, why is that?
@The-only-Mr-T saidI think the reason for the clan system decline has multiple reasons.
They're far from perfect. We're 3 months into the new year and only 9 clans have at least 100 gross points. 100 points is only winning 10, 5 man challenges. It's not lot but yet we only have 9.
People have been leaving the clan system for years, why is that?
I've often said what I think so I don't see much point in repeating myself this time.
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@venda saidThe world and the internet has also changed a lot since the site and clans were at their most popular. Also search engines, before I found RHP on Google or some other search engine, not put chess into a search engine and it's a while before you come across RHP.
I think the reason for the clan system decline has multiple reasons.
I've often said what I think so I don't see much point in repeating myself this time.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke said@Ghost,
Okay, here's the plot.
Although you no longer put in 40 hours a week, as you did in the early years of your clan development, you've stated most weeks now are still no less than 25 hours of work. (I can quote you on this if you'd like? - You said, "Some weeks I only put ten hours in. But most of the time it's never less then 25 hours, and I still put 40 hours." )
...[text shortened]... (Such as an agreed cap on the number of yearly challenges).
It shouldn't all be about quantity.
Why not just say we can not match the amount of games you play? It would be much more honest in my humble opinion.
Everyone complained when Metallica were winning 1rst place every year. Now Breaking Bad have won 1rst 2 times out of 3 years and the grumbling is starting.
Why don't you guys put some work in to your clans so you can actually compete!!!!
I am really getting tired of all of you guys whining instead of working at making your Clans Stronger!!!!
-VR
@The-only-Mr-T saidFair point.I've also noticed a lot more non subs on the site which negates them from playing clan games I think so austerity could be a factor.
The world and the internet has also changed a lot since the site and clans were at their most popular. Also search engines, before I found RHP on Google or some other search engine, not put chess into a search engine and it's a while before you come across RHP.
@Very-Rusty saidRetire maybe?
I am really getting tired of all of you guys whining instead of working at making your Clans Stronger!!!!
-VR
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@The-only-Mr-T saidTrevor,
They're far from perfect. We're 3 months into the new year and only 9 clans have at least 100 gross points. 100 points is only winning 10, 5 man challenges. It's not lot but yet we only have 9.
People have been leaving the clan system for years, why is that?
I told you when you started that it was a lot of hard work. A clan doesn't get the kind of a lead we have without putting a lot of hard work into it. Michael, didn't complain when he was losing every year and finishing near the bottom of the pack.
He studied the players strengths and weaknesses. He slowly but surely became one of the best Clan Leaders on this Site. The leader of Metallica I would still consider the best leader of all time, but he put a lot of work and effort into getting players and he was/is a very tough negotiator when making challenges.
The point here I am making of course is you have to know what you're doing to put a good solid clan together. They don't have to be the best players on the site, and no one can say Breaking Bad have the Best players on the Site, we just have the hardest working dedicated people on the site right now. That can change at any time.
I am sorry but I can't feel sorry for you that you have 26 points Trevor! You are a brand new Clan Leader. Did you expect to be in first place your first year? I know it took Michael over a Decade to get to the point he is now. I at one time use to tell him what he was doing wrong when I was in Metallica. He actually listened to what I said. I am not perfect but I have learned how to work as TEAM when I was with Metallica.
I am not a great player I would be the first to admit it. I am a hard worker and a loyal player to the Clan I happen to be with. Remember my old friend I was with Metallica for 13 years. I don't know how many times Russ checked us out for Cheating or sandbagging and found nothing.
It is perfectly ok according to the Site rules to resign a challenge if someone is purposely dragging it out. when everyone had completed their games and someone is at 13 or 14 moves in that game, they Sir are dragging it out to stop us from starting another challenge or what ever Clan they are doing it against.
You will find it is the same people who do it too. I follow the Clans especially top 10 very closely. I keep on top of things, I check in with Michael if I have any suggestions. After being on the site for 18 years I have learned much from many of you on this Site.
Regards,
-VR
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@Very-Rusty
Why do you keep using the word 'complaining'?
I don't believe anyone has complained about anything in these threads, merely pointed out facts and offered suggestions.
My clan is top 10 in both net and gross points. After starting just late last year it speaks volumes at the mess the clan system is in. As you said... Only 26 points but in the top 10. It's pathetic.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Michael should use his correspondence strategy at the so called number one site and we can bet on how long until he gets banned from that site.
They have team play and correspondence team play. I wonder what they will think of his resigning games strategy 🤔
Up for the challenge @Michael-Martin ?