@medullah
This is easy. You hold Saul's visit to the medium of Endor as proof of some kind of life after death, claiming that Samuel was alive.
He certainly existed. He had died according to the Bible. But he existed and unless the Bible lies, part of him was brought up from Sheol. What do you want me to do?
Ecclesiates 9:5 "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, because the memory of them is forgotten"
From the standpoint of those physically alive that is certainly true.
But is cannot be true in every sense.
Solomon wrote of the things
under the sun. He continues to use that phrase to indicate our knowledge of these things in the land of the living is LIMITED.
This isn't a climax (your words that you seek to plant in my mouth) it reflects the state of the dead.
Unless the Bible lies.
There is an EXISTENCE beyond physical death.
How was Saul's actions viewed?
They were viewed by the writer of First Samuel. Saul was wrong to do what he did.
But under God's sovereignty He let it happen. Didn't He?
1 Chron 10:13 "Saul died because he was unfaithful to the Lord; he did not keep the word of the Lord and even consulted a medium for guidance" (NIV)
That is QUITE irrelevant to where Samuel the prophet did what he did in SPEAKING to Saul after his soul and spirit were brought UP from Sheol.
How is Saul's disobedience a factor in proving the prophet
Samuel's spirit did not come up from Sheol after he had DIED ?
If we talk about the obedience or disobedience of
SAUL that is another issue. Isn't it?
Saul wasn't some kind of hero. He was disgraced.
This is irrelevant to the prophet
Samuel's existence even after he was DEAD.
I am not making rebellious Saul a hero medullah.
This is your strawman argument. It should be quite easy for you to knock down your strawman argument. Go ahead and speak to
Saul's low spiritual condition.
But it is has nothing to do with God allowing the spirit of the prophet
Samuel from speaking to Saul from an EXISTENCE beyond
Samuel's physical death.
Deut 18:10-12
10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.
But God allowed in this case for
Samuel's soul to speak to Saul.
That is why the medium was shocked. They were probably use to deceiving people with demons. But when she saw it was actually the spirit of
Samuel she was astonished and realized she had been deceived by the disobedient King Saul.
You cannot just ignore these details and focus instead on other details to SUPPRESS the words you don't like.
Sometimes to make a point God allowed some rebellious one to think he was doing just what he wanted. God told Balaam not to prophesy for Balak the king. And then God realizing he was set on greedy gain, said for him to go ahead and do his deed.
It comes down to you having to decide the account of
First Samuel 28 is wrong, untrue, a mistake, or it wasn't
Samuel's soul / spirit that the angels accompanied up from Sheol.
Who died on the cross?
29 Jun '21 00:52
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