Two Questions

@sonship said
Human language has its limits. And if someone tells you some things you have to take it sometimes on a kind of trust, though you cannot imagine what is being told you.

Do these two assertions lie at the very heart of your proselytizing?

@sonship said
@kevcvs57
That's my problem with imagining a beginning to time.
As soon as you speak of "just prior to the Big Bang" the beginning of TIME has a prior moment you have to imagine.

Mind you ne for me TIME with no beginning.
It is had to imagine for me TIME with a definite beginning too.

Is there a point to all this rambling about your inability to imagine? Because I’m having a tough time imagining it.

@sonship said
Whoever doesn't believe in mind over matter, please raise your hand.

Shouldn't this be: "Whoever believes in 'mind over matter', please raise my hand."?

@suzianne said
Shouldn't this be: "Whoever believes in 'mind over matter', please raise my hand."?

My thinking was that if one does not believe in mind over matter raising the hand indicates they must be wrong.

The mind instructed the matter of the hand to physically raise.

@suzianne said
Shouldn't this be: "Whoever believes in 'mind over matter', please raise my hand."?

Nice one!

@sonship said
My thinking was that if one does not believe in mind over matter raising the hand indicates they must be wrong.

The mind instructed the matter of the hand to physically raise.

What are you drinking today, and can I have some please?

@sonship said
I have two questions. And I will volunteer to give my answer to them first.

1.) Can human beings imagine time with no beginning?

2.) Can human beings imagine time with a beginning?

Those are the two questions.
Personally, I cannot imagine either.

No.
No.

What about you?

1) The golden apples of the Sun

2) The silver apples of the Moon

@rookie54 said
imagine that time does not exist
there is no past
there is no future
there exists only the present, the right now
all these other constructs are humans attempting to manage the inexplicable

Sorry to say, but that sounds like Gordon Lightfoot in a bottle with the wrong yeast.

@divegeester said
Is there a point to all this rambling about your inability to imagine? Because I’m having a tough time imagining it.

That seems like bubbles in the foam of the Beyond. You are almost there.

@suzianne said
Shouldn't this be: "Whoever believes in 'mind over matter', please raise my hand."?

Metro caramba zhalam. Te tree o spades. Blackbirds in t he choir. Zhaa la. Zu ikhra. Zalam. Para mokh i jambre, moto goku agh ra hajralam. Zobieto bu muto.

@kevin-eleven said
That seems like bubbles in the foam of the Beyond. You are almost there.

Back on the meds for you!

@divegeester said
Back on the meds for you!

Mm. Who medicates the medicine?

The point of this OP's questions was not immediate.

It is that many things we are told by SOMEBODY are matters we have to TRUST them on. To actually imagine them may not be possible for us.

Some people who have knee-jerk obligation to disagree with a Christian may argue. But the point is rather neutral.