@divegeester said
Unfortunately, in this analogy, there is no thermometer indoors to tell what the temperature outside is. Therefore opinions about the temperature outside remain just that, subjective opinions.

If someone is of the opinion that it is 40degrees outside and it turns out that it was in fact 40 degrees outside is their opinion still subjective?

@dj2becker said
If someone is of the opinion that it is 40degrees outside and it turns out that it was in fact 40 degrees outside is their opinion still subjective?

This analogy is a dud. We are talking about things like your superstition and my lack of superstition. Not gravity. Not temperature.

@dj2becker said
Sure, if I’m wrong. But what if I’m right? Is there any way for you to tell that I’m wrong?

"But what if I’m right?"

Me spending time wondering whether you are right about your God figure will not turn your opinions into objective truths.

You spending time wondering whether you are right about your God figure ~ and whether my opinion is wrong ~ will not turn your opinions into objective truths.

@dj2becker said
If someone is of the opinion that it is 40degrees outside and it turns out that it was in fact 40 degrees outside is their opinion still subjective?

I refer you back to my previous reply to you 7 posts down on the previous page. Obviously you missed it.

@fmf said
Your opinion that the assertion "God exists" is "true" is your personal subjective opinion.

Since you have no observable evidence it is only your opinion that God does not exist, therefore you are unqualified to assert that it is another's subjective opinion that God exists.

@secondson said
Since you have no observable evidence it is only your opinion that God does not exist, therefore you are unqualified to assert that it is another's subjective opinion that God exists.

It is not my opinion that "God does not exist". You have made this error about me maybe half a dozen times and I have pointed out your error to you every time. Repeatedly offering deliberate errors as a form of rhetoric is dreadfully weak debating.

@secondson said
Since you have no observable evidence it is only your opinion that God does not exist, therefore you are unqualified to assert that it is another's subjective opinion that God exists.

No matter how qualified or unqualified one claims someone is regarding faith related to supernatural causality, it does not transform subjectivity into objectivity.

@fmf said
It is not my opinion that "God does not exist".

If it's not your opinion, then what is it?

@fmf said
You have made this error about me maybe half a dozen times and I have pointed out your error to you every time.

You've done a poor job of it.

You deny the existence of God. Is that your subjective opinion, of is it an observable objective fact?

@fmf said
Repeatedly offering deliberate errors as a form of rhetoric is dreadfully weak debating.

Deliberate? Don't be obtuse.

@secondson said
You've done a poor job of it.

You deny the existence of God. Is that your subjective opinion, of is it an observable objective fact?

I don't deny the existence of a God or Gods. I lack belief in a God or Gods.

Both your personal opinions and my personal opinions about supernatural things - including your God figure - are subjective and not objective.

@secondson said
Deliberate? Don't be obtuse.

You have claimed I believe "God does exist" at least six times. I have corrected you at least six times. And yet you behave like the guy in Memento. If it's not 'deliberate', what then?

@secondson said
If it's not your opinion, then what is it?

My perspective is exactly the same as it was the previous six or so times I explained it to you.

@fmf said
No matter how qualified or unqualified one claims someone is regarding faith related to supernatural causality, it does not transform subjectivity into objectivity.

On the contrary, you render yourself unqualified by asserting that the truth is based on subjectivity.

If something is, then it is regardless of one's subjective reaction.

Your error is that you file everything that is as a subjective opinion, when in fact what is truth exists independent of subjective opinion, even if a subjective response appropriate.

@secondson said
On the contrary, you render yourself unqualified by asserting that the truth is based on subjectivity.

You haven't read my posts on this thread. I am asserting that what you claim to be "the truth" regarding supernatural causality and "divine" law are rooted in your subjectivity.