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    @fmf said
    It's your prerogative to call your opinions whatever you want. Regarding the things we are talking about, they are not "objectively true". They are merely opinions that, together, amount to your "faith". Does not matter how certain or earnest you are.
    At what point is objective truth established (if ever) in your opinion?
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    @divegeester said
    The key words in your post, which you should reflect on, are:

    “possibility” and “may be”
    If you believe there is no possibility of objective truth regarding spiritual matters ever existing you are rather closed minded.
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    @dj2becker said
    If you believe there is no possibility of objective truth regarding spiritual matters ever existing you are rather closed minded.
    Calling me “closed minded” doesn’t change the facts that spiritual matters are subjective and opinion based.
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    @dj2becker said
    Is that a fact or simply your subjective opinion?
    It is my subjective opinion turned into objective argumentation by reason and logical process, and represented objectively in text written by me for you to read and process and decide if you agree whether it is objectively true that he is mistaken or..whether you are going to be dishonest about it.
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    @dj2becker said
    But if God truly exists then His existence would be an objective truth that is true regardless of what anyone might think or believe about His existence. We all make assumptions that we cannot prove. That doesn’t mean that none of our assumptions can ever be true.
    The important work in your post is the second one “if”.
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    @dj2becker said
    If you believe there is no possibility of objective truth regarding spiritual matters ever existing you are rather closed minded.
    If the only truth that someone recognizes are possibilities that start and end in the material world, they will never see the necessity for anything that transcends the material world no matter how necessary.
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    @kellyjay said
    If the only truth that someone recognizes are possibilities that start and end in the material world, they will never see the necessity for anything that transcends the material world no matter how necessary.
    I read stuff like this in fortune cookies.
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    @dj2becker said
    At what point is objective truth established (if ever) in your opinion?
    Regarding stuff like everlasting life, divine law and "sin", "angels" and "demons" and other supernatural beings, "heaven", eternal torture, visions, miracles and so forth? Never. It's all just stuff that people speculate about, develop subjective opinions about, and then they die.
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    @kellyjay said
    If the only truth that someone recognizes are possibilities that start and end in the material world, they will never see the necessity for anything that transcends the material world no matter how necessary.
    It is your prerogative to declare your opinions about stuff "that transcends the material world" to be "true" for everyone. That's what religious faith and posturing is all about.
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    @dj2becker said
    We all make assumptions that we cannot prove. That doesn’t mean that none of our assumptions can ever be true.
    We all make assumptions that we cannot prove.

    And such assumptions are therefore subjective.

    That doesn’t mean that none of our assumptions can ever be true.

    Feel free to declare your assumptions and opinions about supernatural things to be "objective truths". It will indicate to people how very, very certain you are that you're right.
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    @divegeester said
    Calling me “closed minded” doesn’t change the facts that spiritual matters are subjective and opinion based.
    Oh I see. It’s ok to call your opinions facts. Would you say spiritual matters are still opinion based and subjective even if they happen to be true?
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    @fmf said
    We all make assumptions that we cannot prove.

    And such assumptions are therefore subjective.

    That doesn’t mean that none of our assumptions can ever be true.

    Feel free to declare your assumptions and opinions about supernatural things to be "objective truths". It will indicate to people how very, very certain you are that you're right.
    All I’m saying is that if they are true, they are true regardless of what you or I may believe about it. Something is not merely true because you believe it to be true. If it is true then it is as it is regardless of our beliefs on the matter.
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    @dj2becker said
    All I’m saying is that if they are true, they are true regardless of what you or I may believe about it. Something is not merely true because you believe it to be true. If it is true then it is as it is regardless of our beliefs on the matter.
    Your personal opinions about the "truth" of what your religious faith makes you believe cannot be turned into "objective truths" for both of us, no matter how many times your posting takes us on a spin around the rhetorical feedback loop that your 'thinking' on this subject amounts to.

    Suggesting that the "truth" of what you claim will be somehow confirmed when we die does not turn your opinion into an "objective truth".
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    @fmf said
    We all make assumptions that we cannot prove.

    And such assumptions are therefore subjective.

    That doesn’t mean that none of our assumptions can ever be true.

    Feel free to declare your assumptions and opinions about supernatural things to be "objective truths". It will indicate to people how very, very certain you are that you're right.
    And such assumptions are therefore subjective.

    Unless they happen to be true of course.
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    @dj2becker said
    And such assumptions are therefore subjective.

    Unless they happen to be true of course.
    Your personal opinions and assumptions about spiritual "truths" are subjective. No number of posts speculating about "if they are true" or "they may be true" or "if they happen to be true" or "were they to be true" can transform your personal opinions and assumptions about spiritual "truths" into "objective facts".
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