The Human Spirit

@secondson said
Check.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Are you catching on now to what I'm saying? Whether or not you agree with the inference of the verse above is irrelevant.

The point is that without the "new birth" your nat ...[text shortened]... is until you give up your pride.

You may hate the sound of it, but that's what the Bible teaches.

@FMF

The topic is the human spirit. What about the human spirit of Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, and adherents of Confucianism, Hinduism, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Taoism, and Zoroastrianism etc.?

@sonship said
@FMF

Everybody has a human spirit.

"There is a spirit in MAN ..." Job 32:8.

No, it is not, ie. "There is a spirit in only the Judeo / Christian people".

@fmf said
The topic is the human spirit. What about the human spirit of Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, and adherents of Confucianism, Hinduism, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Taoism, and Zoroastrianism etc.?

@secondson said
You're being evasive.

@secondson said
According to the Bible the spirit is that part of man that joins in union with God. But since the fall of man, because of sin, man's spirit is dead to that union.

@secondson said
According to the Bible, and the words of Jesus Christ, one "must be born again" in order to enjoy that union again.

@secondson said
Without faith and trust in the death(as the atonement for sin), burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and the subsequent experience of regeneration, everyone will die physically in their sin and suffer eternal separation from the life that is in Jesus Christ.

@FMF

Do you endorse or subscribe to any definition of "the human spirit" that does not make reference to "Jesus" and that might, therefore, be applicable to the majority of the human beings [who, lest we forget, do not believe in or follow him]?

I think most people consider soul and spirit to be synonymous and interchangeable words.

And some people think that one cannot take up a belief until they have become absolutely familiar with every possible alternative. I don't think I have to become familiar with every conceivable alternative. And I don't think taking up a position at some point is necessarily impossible to do without being intolerant of others.

I think basically your criticisms are variations on a theme - "You cannot be a Christian who definitely believes something with conviction and be a good tolerant world citizen."

That doesn't disqualify one from having truth. We may hold to truth in love.

"But holding to truth in love, we may grow up into Him in all things, who is the Head, Christ." (Ephesians 4:15)

@sonship said
I think most people consider soul and spirit to be synonymous and interchangeable words.

And some people think that one cannot take up a belief until they have become absolutely familiar with every possible alternative. I don't think I have to become familiar with every conceivable alternative. And I don't think taking up a position at some point is necessa ...[text shortened]... ruth in love, we may grow up into Him in all things, who is the Head, Christ." (Ephesians 4:15) [/b]

@sonship said
I think basically your criticisms are variations on a theme - [i] "You cannot be a Christian who definitely believes something with conviction and be a good tolerant world citizen."

@sonship said
Underlying your concern is that a Christian cannot be a good world citizen.

@FMF

It would appear that your definition of the human spirit is only of communicative use when talking to members of your own religion. For other human beings, you seem only able to talk about the human spirit by making assertions about the doctrines of your religion.

@sonship said
It is not a matter of my endorsement or subscribing.