@ghost-of-a-duke said
Surely Christians believe they 'have' the truth, rather than having an aversion to it?

We all have an aversion to the truth. That's why they say that the truth hurts

The Bible calls is a double edged sword cuz it's going to cut you.

There are but two reactions. Denial and rage or acceptance and repentance.

@whodey said
We all have an aversion to the truth. That's why they say that the truth hurts

The Bible calls is a double edged sword cuz it's going to cut you.

There are but two reactions. Denial and rage or acceptance and repentance.

We all have an aversion to the truth. That's why they say that the truth hurts

The truth only hurts those with an aversion to truth. It hurts those with a hatred of truth most of all. A common term for it is "pride". The vast majority of Christians are extremely prideful.

Take KJ and his poor reading comprehension skills for example. He absolutely hates it when it's pointed out to him.

Matthew 18
1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, 3and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. 4“Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

@whodey said
We all have an aversion to the truth. That's why they say that the truth hurts

The Bible calls is a double edged sword cuz it's going to cut you.

There are but two reactions. Denial and rage or acceptance and repentance.

Fortunately, my semblance of truth isn't situated in an arbitrary collection of books.

@whodey said
Yes or no, did your conversion have anything to do with the Bible or did you just make up the Lamb thingy?

Yes the bible had something to do with my “conversion” (if that’s what you want to call it). But the originator and author of my faith is Jesus Christ himself and power of his transforming spirit. Personal witness from other Christians was a key aspect.

I truly believe that the bible is not necessary for salvation, also I don’t view it as being a “Holy” (capital H) book. Only God is holy.

The words in the book have no power whatsoever unless the spirit of God quickens them to a person’s spirt.

@divegeester said
Yes the bible had something to do with my “conversion” (if that’s what you want to call it). But the originator and author of my faith is Jesus Christ himself and power of his transforming spirit. Personal witness from other Christians was a key aspect.

I truly believe that the bible is not necessary for salvation, also I don’t view it as being a “Holy” (capital H) bo ...[text shortened]... rds in the book have no power whatsoever unless the spirit of God quickens them to a person’s spirt.

Agreed. That is what I was getting at.

Do you find elements of the Bible to be in error or deceptive even though you credit it with this great truth?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Fortunately, my semblance of truth isn't situated in an arbitrary collection of books.

What is it situated in then?

@divegeester said
What is the definition of “religionist”?

Why don't you cut the bull and simply explain how you've used it in the past?

Just recall one of your many diatribes against organized religion if your memory is fuzzy.

@divegeester said
General: I adhere to a religion.

Especially: I could be a zealot in terms of certain doctrines I believe.

You're certainly a zealot in defending FMF, even at the cost of your integrity.

@whodey said
All we like sheep have gone astray...................

Some, more astray than others....

@divegeester said
Yes the bible had something to do with my “conversion” (if that’s what you want to call it). But the originator and author of my faith is Jesus Christ himself and power of his transforming spirit. Personal witness from other Christians was a key aspect.

I truly believe that the bible is not necessary for salvation, also I don’t view it as being a “Holy” (capital H) bo ...[text shortened]... rds in the book have no power whatsoever unless the spirit of God quickens them to a person’s spirt.

Isn't this part of your creed against being a 'religionist'?

@suzianne said
You're certainly a zealot in defending FMF, even at the cost of your integrity.

I've always thought that divegeester exhibits more integrity here than you do. Is that unfair of me to say so?

@suzianne said
Some, more astray than others....

Then again, not even sheep kill their unborn.

@whodey said
Agreed. That is what I was getting at.

Do you find elements of the Bible to be in error or deceptive even though you credit it with this great truth?

Hmm, it didn’t sound like it was “what you were getting at” when you posted this on the previous page:

”Yes or no, did your conversion have anything to do with the Bible or did you just make up the Lamb thingy?”

You give two alternatives; either my conversion had something to do with the bible...or...I was making it up.

You sound flaky.

@suzianne said
Isn't this part of your creed against being a 'religionist'?

What creed? What are you on about?

@whodey said
Do you find elements of the Bible to be in error or deceptive even though you credit it with this great truth?

What “great truth” is it that I have credited it (the bible) with?

Why would you presume from what I’ve written that I find the bible “to be in error or deceptive”?

What an odd thing to say.