@kellyjay saidYou seem to be posting stuff now, just for the sake of it.
We are the ones that use narratives to describe things, nature as the topic is simply the governing laws that all the material and immaterial things in the world run on. So when any one of us starts telling another about how they think what is going on in the universe, what is true or false in the universe, both sides of any discussion are presenting explanations that come ...[text shortened]... turning it into something more about us, than the universe itself, in other words, you are dodging.
And btw, you’re the only one “avoiding discussion” KellyJay.
@caissad4 saidEvidence can be right in front of you but you can still deny it. The fact there is everything, as opposed to nothing, shows something that transcends the universe created it, but you can deny it without giving a reason for your denial. The fine-tuning of the universe shows it wasn't haphazardly made, it is set up for life right here under a myriad of precise conditions making Earth life friendly, but you can deny that without giving a reason.
All these posts and absolutely no proof for the existence of any god , let alone proof of the magical things that theists claim that this god has done .
We have conscious minds, we are self-aware, which isn't explainable by a mindless process that would have been unguided and unconcern about improving or even recognizing itself. All the forward-thinking that had to have taken place setting up error checking, and on-off mechanisms in life are not products of a mindless unguided process driven by chance.
The FACT that unlimited time is fiction since there was a beginning, and even if you had unlimited time it doesn't help if the timing for life-friendly movement with just dead chemicals reacting to one another are not met for each step of the way towards life.
The readable DNA also suggests design since it is only because we can read and understand each other with our written and spoken words can we recognize symbols that carry meaning which we find in DNA as we have mapped it out.
Just to name a few odds and ends, but even when Jesus rose people from the dead it only pissed off some so they planned on killing Him. You can love the darkness, wallow in hate, and deny everything that could show you that you are wrong, and it will all fall back on you.
@kellyjay saidOn what do you base the assertions "there was a beginning" and "unlimited time is fiction"?
The FACT that unlimited time is fiction since there was a beginning, and even if you had unlimited time it doesn't help if the timing for life-friendly movement with just dead chemicals reacting to one another are not met for each step of the way towards life.
@suzianne saidFully agree.
Faith does not, and never will, involve 'proof'.
That is not what faith is about.
However Christians of the KellyJay mode of thinking make wild assertions; E.g. rejecting the scientific explanation of gravity because they embrace the lunacy of alternative mythical explanations deriving from an ideology such as biblical flat earth.
All this stems from Biblical literalism and is a complex labyrinth of false faith, lies and conspiracy theories. Cultism of a sort.
@yo-its-me saidScientists have evidence without certainty; creationists have certainty without evidence.
“For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible.”
― Franz Werfel.
"What can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchins.
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@moonbus saidDismissing evidence because of the ramifications is mindlessness in action.
Scientists have evidence without certainty; creationists have certainty without evidence.
"What can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchins.
I guess there is some symmetry in that.
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@kellyjay saidYou have not provided any evidence of a transcendental mind in action. Let us know when you have a working transcendental causality detector, and I'll be first one to congratulate you on the greatest invention since the wheel.
Dismissing evidence because of the ramifications is mindlessness in action.
I guess there is some symmetry in that.
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@moonbus saidI have, you ignore it saying I'm humanizing things that we see, which is on one level true because we use our brains to do things that otherwise would not be done, so out of hand you blow it off. You find an excuse to blow off everything sent your way, you can ignore a mountain of evidence if you have a speck of doubt to cast on it.
You have not provided any evidence of a transcendental mind in action. Let us know when you have a working transcendental causality detector, and I'll be first one to congratulate you on the greatest invention since the wheel.
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@moonbus said"Yes, Mr. Hitchins. The beauty of it is that it is entirely your choice, no one else's." -- Suzianne
Scientists have evidence without certainty; creationists have certainty without evidence.
"What can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchins.
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@kellyjay saidI am secure enough in my belief that I do not need to claim that there is any evidence whatsoever for my belief.
I have, you ignore it saying I'm humanizing things that we see, which is on one level true because we use our brains to do things that otherwise would not be done, so out of hand you blow it off. You find an excuse to blow off everything sent your way, you can ignore a mountain of evidence if you have a speck of doubt to cast on it.
You (the non-specific you) don't believe what I believe? Great. You certainly do not have to.