10 Aug 06
Originally posted by dj2beckerGood to see you back. Have you heard the fabulous news about your hero, Kent Hovind?
It seems to me that many Christians are confused regarding the matter of Salvation.
Is it possible to be saved if you do not repent?
C.H. Spurgeon once made the statement: "Brethren, we shall not adjust our Bible to the age, but the age to the Bible."
I recomend this article: http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Introduction/repent.htm
10 Aug 06
Originally posted by ivanhoe"Consider the birds of the air, the lilies of the field....." That's a "nice and attractive story" I like.
[b]dj2becker: "Indeed. It is a pity that the gospel is watered down so much, to try and make it more appealing."
Our resident RHP Rev Kirksey calls this "making the tent bigger" ...... It is necessary according to him. Right, Rev ?
Tell the folks a nice and attractive story instead of God's Truth. After that they will feel much better. Right Rev ?[/b]
10 Aug 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHNo, that's not what repent means.
As 'repent' means to change one's mind, and as specifically, the issue in salvation is Jesus Christ, the issue of salvation is what one thinks of Him. Unfortunately, many Christians would rather emote their way into heaven instead of simply following the words of God. In so doing, they equate repentance with feeling sorry for their sins (or, absurdly) vowing to never sin again,
10 Aug 06
Originally posted by kirksey957..... sounds very good, Kirk ..... but what exactly does it mean ?
"Having been brought up with the definition of faith as adherence to a set of beliefs, I have more and more begun to turn instead toward a definition of faith as an openness to truth, whatever truth turns out to be." Rev. Barbara Brown Taylor
It sounds to me this is an attitude in which you are not obliged to choose any basic truth at all, not even the existence of God. Correct ?
Do you think agnosts and atheist have a different attitude towards truth ?
10 Aug 06
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Originally posted by kirksey957Sure, that's why you present a watered down version of the Gospel .... in fact from what I have been able to understand from the very few times you made the mistake of talking about your views, you don't preach the Gospel at all. It is indeed a watered down version of it .... no, it's not even that. It is simply another gospel ..... Kirk's gospel.
More heresey from Barbara Brown Taylor. "A lot of bad preaching is terrified preachers, preachers terrified to speak from their hearts, terrified they'll lose their jobs."
I vividly remember your comment on the story of the Young Rich Ruler.
Matthew
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He answered him, "Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. 13 If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
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14 He asked him, "Which ones?" And Jesus replied, " 'You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness;
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honor your father and your mother'; and 'you shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"
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15 The young man said to him, "All of these I have observed. What do I still lack?"
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Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be perfect, 16 go, sell what you have and give to (the) poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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When the young man heard this statement, he went away sad, for he had many possessions.
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17 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Amen, I say to you, it will be hard for one who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for one who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."
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18 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and said, "Who then can be saved?"
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Jesus looked at them and said, "For human beings this is impossible, but for God all things are possible."
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Then Peter said to him in reply, "We have given up everything and followed you. What will there be for us?"
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19 Jesus said to them, "Amen, I say to you that you who have followed me, in the new age, when the Son of Man is seated on his throne of glory, will yourselves sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
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And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times more, and will inherit eternal life.
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20 But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.
Kirk: "..... a lot of bad preaching ..... terrified they'll lose their jobs ..... "
... faith is an openness to truth ...... sure.
10 Aug 06
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Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk, you can tell the truth and you can tell half the truth. You are telling half the truth. You are a perfect example of what Karl Marx meant when he claimed that "Religion is the opium of the people".
"Consider the birds of the air, the lilies of the field....." That's a "nice and attractive story" I like.
http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/quotations/marx_opium_people.html
10 Aug 06
Originally posted by kirksey957About being "terrified of speaking from their hearts":
More heresey from Barbara Brown Taylor. "A lot of bad preaching is terrified preachers, preachers terrified to speak from their hearts, terrified they'll lose their jobs."
Ephesians
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8 So I declare and testify in the Lord that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds;
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darkened in understanding, alienated from the life of God because of their ignorance, because of their hardness of heart,
10 Aug 06
If a person has never heard the gospel lives & dies then goes to heaven would that not still be by the grace of God? I know that the bible does not speak on this but if God (Christ) paid for all sins for all times for all men then he could let anyone into heaven that he so choosed right?? Just wondering what most Christians take on this is. I know there will be some in heaven that most would think not and vise versa. Manny
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10 Aug 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeSo according to him we can have "Christian" gansters, and "Christian" prostitutes??
[b]dj2becker: "Indeed. It is a pity that the gospel is watered down so much, to try and make it more appealing."
Our resident RHP Rev Kirksey calls this "making the tent bigger" ...... It is necessary according to him. Right, Rev ?
Tell the folks a nice and attractive story instead of God's Truth. After that they will feel much better. Right Rev ?[/b]
(As long as they have said the sinner's prayer?)
Interesting that the very first words of Christ, when he started his ministery, were "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand..."
10 Aug 06
Originally posted by dj2beckerif they really feel sorry, its not something you can take advantage of. you cant just say oh well god will forgive me and do w/e you want.
So according to him we can have "Christian" gansters, and "Christian" prostitutes??
(As long as they have said the sinner's prayer?)
Interesting that the very first words of Christ, when he started his ministery, were "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand..."