23 Mar 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell stated, clear. No JW is df'd because they have in some way sinned. They are df'd because they do not repent of their wrong and are possibly a leavening influence in the Congregation. If they were permitted to continue without repenting they could also give a wrong impression as to what Jehovah requires of us. Ge 9:4; Acts 15:20
Beu Roberts was disfellowshipped for unrepentence, he publicly admitted this. No one is disfellowshipped because of their iniquity. Why you seem unable to grasp this is perhaps willfull ignorance or more evidence of your inability to break free from your delusions. Either way, you simply cannot grasp it. It really is quite beyond you.
We are happy that Jehovah is merciful as any could make a mistake but He is willing to forgive those who repent, even BR.
So what will Dive pick on now?
23 Mar 15
Originally posted by roigamI cannot say what he will attempt next, he's very unsteady in all his ways. I once asked him how many person have been removed from his church for wrongdoing in accordance with the Bibles command to remove unrepentant persons from the midst of the congregation. He was rather vague to say the least.
Well stated, clear. No JW is df'd because they have in some way sinned. They are df'd because they do not repent of their wrong and are possibly a leavening influence in the Congregation. If they were permitted to continue without repenting they could also give a wrong impression as to what Jehovah requires of us. Ge 9:4; Acts 15:20
We are happy that Jehovah ...[text shortened]... mistake but He is willing to forgive those who repent, even BR.
So what will Dive pick on now?
23 Mar 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobie"Unrepentance" or "iniquity".
Beu Roberts was disfellowshipped for unrepentence, he publicly admitted this. No one is disfellowshipped because of their iniquity. Why you seem unable to grasp this is perhaps willfull ignorance or more evidence of your inability to break free from your delusions. Either way, you simply cannot grasp it. It really is quite beyond you.
You claim the man sinned because he took a life-saving blood transfusion. There is NO "unrepentance" here because there is NO sin.
It is YOU and your manifest erring and twisting of God's Word that has "condemned" this man, NOT God. No sin, no condemnation and therefore no repentance needed. YOUR church disfellowshipped him for the denial of his sin, the sin YOU, not God, proclaim in error, and therefore the SUPREME sin of denying his church. And THAT is why he was disfellowshipped. For denying his church. Not denying God. All because of your twisted, man-made dogma.
If anyone is guilty here of willful ignorance, it is YOU and your church. That you use this twisted dogma to make yourselves feel proud for nearly destroying this man's life and the attempt to destroy his family, is more than enough to convince me of YOUR sin.
And yeah, in this case, I'm quite glad this is beyond me, too.
23 Mar 15
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Originally posted by divegeesterThe "sin" of "taking blood". According to the twisted, man-made dogma of the JWs.
So what exactly was beauroberts unrepentant of?
You really should make an effort to pay attention while in class. 😵
(BTW, who IS that guy in your avatar? It's been driving me nuts.)
23 Mar 15
Originally posted by SuzianneIm pretty sure robbie carrobie has said on several occasions that the recieving of blood is a matter of personal conscience. So how can it be a sin if it's a matter conscience?
"Unrepentance" or "iniquity".
You claim the man sinned because he took a life-saving blood transfusion. There is NO "unrepentance" here because there is NO sin.
It is YOU and your manifest erring and twisting of God's Word that has "condemned" this man, NOT God. No sin, no condemnation and therefore no repentance needed. YOUR church disfellowshippe ...[text shortened]... gh to convince me of YOUR sin.
And yeah, in this case, I'm quite glad this is beyond me, too.
23 Mar 15
Originally posted by SuzianneI just wanted to get them to say it. Interesting that they will not, don't you think?
The "sin" of "taking blood". According to the twisted, man-made dogma of the JWs.
You really should make an effort to pay attention while in class. 😵
(BTW, who IS that guy in your avatar? It's been driving me nuts.)
23 Mar 15
Originally posted by divegeesterThey're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they hold everyone accountable to the weird variety of "sins" their weird version of the Bible concocts, then they may be in danger of losing a good portion of their "flock" to common sense. By calling it "a matter of conscience", they keep those people and at the same time, they can disrupt people's lives for their "unrepentance".
I just wanted to get them to say it. Interesting that they will not, don't you think?
23 Mar 15
Originally posted by SuzianneI agree, however roigam and Galveston75 have stated that not taking blood is a command of Jehovah and not therefore open to personal conscience. Robbie carrobie has never said this. roigam's attitude is very Galvestonesque, lots of pleasantries but actually a hard-liner. Robbie is full of piss and wind but I suspect a little less ridgid. Just my perception.
They're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they hold everyone accountable to the weird variety of "sins" their weird version of the Bible concocts, then they may be in danger of losing a good portion of their "flock" to common sense. By calling it "a matter of conscience", they keep those people and at the same time, they can disrupt people's lives for their "unrepentance".
24 Mar 15
Originally posted by roigamGenesis 9:4 is about never eating meat that hasn't had the blood drained from it [does Mosaic Law still apply to Jehovah's Witnesses? robbie carrobie has stated many times that it does not apply to Christians] ~ so there's nothing about blood transfusions being "sin" in Genesis 9:4. As for Acts 15:20, it's about pagan rituals and animal blood sacrifice ~ so there's nothing about blood transfusions being "sin" there either.
If they were permitted to continue without repenting they could also give a wrong impression as to what Jehovah requires of us. Genesis 9:4; Acts 15:20