Prayer & being between a rock and a hard place

@fmf said
Your opinion, that the certainty of atheists regarding what they do not believe is somehow a function of how "intelligent" they are, has no bearing on how certain they actually are.

I don’t believe atheists are intelligent. I was trying to be generous.

But most people realize their feelings may be wrong and that God cannot logically be disproven,

@pb1022 said
I don’t believe atheists are intelligent.

Is this another of your “facts”?

@fmf said
It didn't.

Then why didn’t you say a prayer for a loved one who was potentially dying?

@pb1022 said
I don’t believe atheists are intelligent. I was trying to be generous.

This has no bearing on how certain they feel about what they believe.

@divegeester said
Is this another of your “facts”?

Psalm 14:1

And if you don’t like that, I think Carl Sagan said to him, atheism was very stupid.

@pb1022 said
Then why didn’t you say a prayer for a loved one who was potentially dying?

Because I am an atheist and I stopped praying when I lost my Christian faith.

@fmf said
It's more a case of whether or not lack of belief is an interesting topic on a Spirituality Forum.

The OP question is: Have any of the agnostics or atheists on this forum ever had their lack [or loss] of belief tested?

No one has addressed this question, but that's OK. I have started many a thread that posed a question that didn't get any traction.

<<The OP question is: Have any of the agnostics or atheists on this forum ever had their lack [or loss] of belief tested?>>

Maybe none of them have and saw no reason to address the OP

@fmf said
Because I am an atheist and I stopped praying when I lost my Christian faith.

Exactly. Your atheism trumped everything else.

@fmf said
This has no bearing on how certain they feel about what they believe.

But most people realize their feelings may be wrong and that God cannot logically be disproven.

(Think I’ll just start copy-and-pasting what I said previously.)

@pb1022 said
Psalm 14:1

And if you don’t like that, I think Carl Sagan said to him, atheism was very stupid.

So your idea of intelligence isn’t “intelligence” as generally accepted?

@fmf said
What is the point of someone praying to the Christian God when they do not believe in the Christian God ?

Because in a desperate situation that they’re helpless to affect, they’ll realize they could be wrong and their concern and love for another human being will trump their vanity and “principled atheism.”

@divegeester said
So your idea of intelligence isn’t “intelligence” as generally accepted?

I wouldn’t say that.

Intelligent people realize their feelings may be wrong and that the existence of God cannot be disproven.

Atheists apparently believe one or both.

@pb1022 said
I wouldn’t say that.

Intelligent people realize their feelings may be wrong and that the existence of God cannot be disproven.

Atheists apparently believe one or both.

Most scientists are atheist and most are, I’m guessing now of course, more intelligent than you.

@pb1022 said
Maybe none of them have and saw no reason to address the OP

Exactly.

@pb1022 said
Because in a desperate situation that they’re helpless to affect, they’ll realize they could be wrong and their concern and love for another human being will trump their vanity and “principled atheism.”

There was no "vanity" in that hospital room. There was no lack of "concern" for my wife.