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Originally posted by FMFWhy don't you ask Grampy Bobby who is this false teacher he is copying & pasting from? Then you might be able to go to the real source of the problem.
Ah yes, one of your often deployed passive aggressive tricks: copy paste something OTHER than an answer to the question you are dodging, and if pressed, copy paste it over and over and over again. Here it is:
So "unbelievers" ~ like me ~ are saved alongside "believers"? This contradicts statements about "unbelievers" and "eternal torture" that you have made on this forum many times.
You have been dodging this question for nine pages! 😀
Originally posted by KellyJaySo now you see, yes? Beliefs can change. You becoming a Christian does not apply retrospectively and somehow change the fact that you used to think "God was meaningless" into you having been a Christian all along. Same goes for me: me becoming an ex-Christian does not apply retrospectively and somehow change the fact that I used to believe the claims made about Christ and about "salvation" into me having been a non-Christian all along.
Yes, they are real to me. They were not always, since before I became a Christian God was meaningless to me, that changed when I became one.
Originally posted by RJHindsIt's interesting that your spirituality expresses itself more in self-conscious attempts to draw attention to yourself with ludicrous YouTube clips and not so much in confronting fellow Christians regarding points of doctrine that you deem to be "false". It's interesting to see a poster, like you, who is so ostentatiously abrasive become so timid when the topic is "salvation" and fellow Christians are contradicting the very essence of what you believe about it.
Why don't you ask Grampy Bobby who is this false teacher he is copying & pasting from? Then you might be able to go to the real source of the problem.
Originally posted by FMFI am more interested in correcting the unbelievers so that they might believe than in causing discord among Christians that are believers.
It's interesting that your spirituality expresses itself more in self-conscious attempts to draw attention to yourself with ludicrous YouTube clips and not so much in confronting fellow Christians regarding points of doctrine that you deem to be "false". It's interesting to see a poster, like you, who is so ostentatiously abrasive become so timid when the topic ...[text shortened]... alvation" and fellow Christians are contradicting the very essence of what you believe about it.
Originally posted by RJHindsAlthough I no longer suspect that you are actually an atheist trying to discredit Christianity with a sustained, artful parody, as I once did [and as did several other regular posters], I am pretty sure that there are no non-Christians here who seek to emulate you or buy-in to your mindset and beliefs.
I am more interested in correcting the [b]unbelievers so that they might believe than in causing discord among Christians that are believers.[/b]
You once told us that you deliberately wanted "unbelievers" to hate you so as to draw the hatred away from Christ. Now you claim you are trying to make them "believe". What a shambles.
If diametrical differences between key parts of your ideology are played down or not discussed head on on account of being the stuff of mere "discord", your ideology clearly has little credibility or gravitas beyond your own imagination.
Originally posted by FMF"You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.
Although I no longer suspect that you are actually an atheist trying to discredit Christianity with a sustained, artful parody, as I once did [and as did several other regular posters], I am pretty sure that there are no non-Christians here who seek to emulate you or buy-in to your mindset and beliefs.
You once told us that you deliberately wanted "unbelieve ...[text shortened]... "discord", your ideology clearly has little credibility or gravitas beyond your own imagination.
(Matthew 10:22 NASB)
If you have to hate me to become a believer in Christ, what is that to you? Aren't you better off than before?
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Originally posted by FMFI again agree, it was real, now it is not, correct?
I have answered this question over and over again. My beliefs were real to me when I held them ~ just as the beliefs you hold now are real to you now. I no longer have those beliefs now, so what is real to me has changed.
If you were to lose your faith in 2015, I would not then say to you "So you are lying now!" if you said [in 2015] "I was a Christian up until 2014".
You once thought was true, but no longer.
If as you acknowledge now that Jesus is not real, He could never have
been, correct?
Kelly
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Originally posted by FMFI acknowledge that at one time I felt like I lived in a godless universe,
So now you see, yes? Beliefs can change. You becoming a Christian does not apply retrospectively and somehow change the fact that you used to think "God was meaningless" into you having been a Christian all along. Same goes for me: me becoming an ex-Christian does not apply retrospectively and somehow change the fact that I used to believe the claims made about Christ and about "salvation" into me having been a non-Christian all along.
but when I discovered that was not the case! I acknowledge the time
I thought there was no God actually had one in it.
For you, you professed Jesus Christ, now you deny Him.
You deny him now shows you never had him.
This again is not about what you claim you were, but what reality is and
was for you.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI have answered this over and over and over and over again.
If as you acknowledge now that Jesus is not real, He could never have
been, correct?
When I was a Christian, Jesus was real to me. Whatever I believe now, it simply does not alter how real and true my Christian beliefs were to me when I held them. My Christian beliefs back then were as real and true to me as your Christian beliefs are real and true to you now.
You keep asking the same thing over and over again. And I give you a crystal clear, honest and bang-on-target answer every single time.