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TV evangelist Pat Robertson said that he doesn't think there is any sin associated with being trans: "It's not for you to decide or to judge."
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
@fmf saidI hope he's ready for the blowback he'll get from evangelicals who don't like to be told they shouldn't judge people.
TV evangelist Pat Robertson said that he doesn't think there is any sin associated with being trans: "It's not for you to decide or to judge."
Thoughts?
@suzianne saidAre you opposed to judging your fellow Christians?
I hope he's ready for the blowback he'll get from evangelicals who don't like to be told they shouldn't judge people.
@fmf saidI take the parable about the mob which had brought an alleged adulteress before Jesus to be relevant here. Jesus said to the mob, 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone.' Not one dared to cast a stone. Now, almost every Christian you ask about this parable will draw the conclusion that everyone is a sinner and leave it at that. Does no one ask about the message behind the message? Not even Jesus, who was sinless, cast a stone at her. The message behind the message is: no one is to judge another, sins or otherwise. That is God's business and God's alone. Not even Jesus's business was to judge another or to punish anyone for sin.
TV evangelist Pat Robertson said that he doesn't think there is any sin associated with being trans: "It's not for you to decide or to judge."
Thoughts?
@moonbus saidAgreed, and here again, stark difference in what Jesus says v what Paul says. Here is the advice of Paul on a similar situation:
I take the parable about the mob which had brought an alleged adulteress before Jesus to be relevant here. Jesus said to the mob, 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone.' Not one dared to cast a stone. Now, almost every Christian you ask about this parable will draw the conclusion that everyone is a sinner and leave it at that. Does no one ask about the message behin ...[text shortened]... times and no supernatural certification or justification or rationale is required to implement them.
@rajk999 saidDo you think Paul would have thrown the first stone (or the second, or third, or fifteenth) against the alleged adulteress?
Agreed, and here again, stark difference in what Jesus says v what Paul says. Here is the advice of Paul on a similar situation:
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have writte ...[text shortened]... dgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. (1 Corinthians 5:9-13 KJV)
@fmf saidAre you opposed to judging a mother who drowns her three young children because she thinks they're possessed?
Are you opposed to judging your fellow Christians?
@moonbus saidIndeed. Sometimes I wonder if he might be considered the world's first Calvinist. Or Presbyterian. Or maybe Jehovah's Witness. Or maybe LDS. Or some denomination that focuses more on the punishment of sinners instead of winning them over with his righteousness, like Jesus.
@Suzianne
He certainly chastised the fledgling churches of Greece, telling them were doing it all wrong. I have to assume the early Christian communities were all founded by one or another of the Apostles, so who was Paul to ‘correct’ them ?
@suzianne saidCome on, serious question, Rajk.
Do you think Paul would have thrown the first stone (or the second, or third, or fifteenth) against the alleged adulteress?
@suzianne saidI think it's a tragedy when superstition causes derangement of that kind.
Are you opposed to judging a mother who drowns her three young children because she thinks they're possessed?
@fmf saidMaybe he's finally been converted to Christianity.
TV evangelist Pat Robertson said that he doesn't think there is any sin associated with being trans: "It's not for you to decide or to judge."
Thoughts?
@suzianne saidI'm pretty sure he's been a Christian throughout the 80 or so years of his adult life. You believe he is saved by Grace and because Jesus died on the cross for him and for all mankind, do you not?
Maybe he's finally been converted to Christianity.
@fmf saidI believe he calls himself Christian.
I'm pretty sure he's been a Christian throughout the 80 or so years of his adult life. You believe he is saved by Grace and because Jesus died on the cross for him and for all mankind, do you not?
@suzianne saidDo you believe people are saved by Grace because Jesus died on the cross for all mankind? In his case, do you believe Paterson is saved by his faith and by faith alone?
I believe he calls himself Christian.