Spirituality
27 Jan 19
@fmf saidI am not earning my way in, I told you it isn’t on merits but grace.
Don't you believe you are going to "earn" your way into "God's Kingdom" by virtue of your belief in Jesus ["regardless of merit", regardless of how "wicked and evil" you insist you are] ~ whereas people like me deserve to be tortured for our lack of belief in all this? How does this make any moral sense?
29 Jan 19
@fmf saidAnd?
There may be something you call "following Satan in his rebellion against God" that appeals to your imagination but I don't believe your torturer god exists and I don't believe "Satan" exists. Trotting out your mythology/dogma does not constitute an answer to the questions you were ostensibly responding to.
@kellyjay saidThe fact is that it's "grace" with a condition. Only those who meet that condition, merit grace. Those who do not meet that condition, do not merit grace.
I am not earning my way in, I told you it isn’t on merits but grace.
If it were truly grace without merit, there wouldn't be any conditions.
@fmf saidWhat KellyJay, sonship, SecondJosephw et al seem to not understand is that their particular brand of salvation (their version of God as I sometimes call it) simply doesn't make sense to the informed thinking seeker.
There may be something you call "following Satan in his rebellion against God" that appeals to your imagination but I don't believe your torturer god exists and I don't believe "Satan" exists. Trotting out your mythology/dogma does not constitute an answer to the questions you were ostensibly responding to.
@divegeester saidJudging by some of his threads and some things he talks about, sonship's "ministry" away from here might often involve him preying on vulnerable or weakminded people ~ victims he tries to bully, perhaps with his self-sanctified "biblical" abuse.
What KellyJay, sonship, SecondJosephw et al seem to not understand is that their particular brand of salvation (their version of God as I sometimes call it) simply doesn't make sense to the informed thinking seeker.
If God is sovereign in salvation, then he is to blame for those not making it.
If there is "choice" then those who "choose" are accomplices in their salvation and by default receive that salvation through an element of merit, the "choice".
You cannot have it both ways, and when you add in eternal torture the whole erroneous construct falls down.
@kellyjay saidWhat is “amazing” is your hubris and refusal to accept that the notion of a god who tortures people alive for eternity for not believing in him, is nonsensical, amoral, biblically incoherent and a blocker to people entering the Christian Faith.
Your lack of understanding is amazing
@thinkofone saidYou are mistaken there is the narrow path, the door, which is Jesus Christ salvation is in Him. Then the relationship begins with Him as Lord. I guess you missed that part of your life as a Christian, or not who knows?
The fact is that it's "grace" with a condition. Only those who meet that condition, merit grace. Those who do not meet that condition, do not merit grace.
If it were truly grace without merit, there wouldn't be any conditions.
29 Jan 19
@fmf saidSo you're just using those concepts (that you don't believe in) merely to "run him down". And this is "principle" for you?
There may be something you call "following Satan in his rebellion against God" that appeals to your imagination but I don't believe your torturer god exists and I don't believe "Satan" exists. Trotting out your mythology/dogma does not constitute an answer to the questions you were ostensibly responding to.