Originally posted by galveston75You haven't in any shape or form whatsoever, based on the state of the world, made any case that the world is about to end. You studiously avoid any genuine discussion of the actual state of the world and the wide range of things that constitute improvement and progress, all of which make a strong case for optimism as opposed to your negativity and fatalism.
Now..if he had voiced his opinion in a civil and mature way and added a couple scriptures that he thought showed we are not in the last days of this system, then believe it or not we may of had a decent converstion as we compared scriptures like a spiritul person should do.
The things you cited in the OP could have applied at any time over the last 2,000 years. You are then dodging any debate or discussion about the actual claims about actual things in this actual world that you are making. It is you who has made no case.
If your religious literature has prophesized any of the positive changes and examples of progress there have been in the world since, say, 1914, show me where. If you are not able to do that, why not?
Originally posted by galveston75The thread started with you asking "Just wondering if those who say, "no nothing has changed in our day from the past", still feel the same with all the things happening in the world now? ...since which time you have steadfastly refused to properly discuss "all the things happening in the world now" and have offered no convincing evidence about the actual state of the world apart from stuff like "Hummm, do you watch the news or read the paper?" You have backed up nothing. You have made no case. You are dodging discussion of your very own OP question.
Ok, lets review... How did this thread start? With bible based information with scriptures to back it up.
Originally posted by galveston75I'm not interested in your lazy copy pastes Galveston75.
Hello...anyone home? Perhaps you missed the scriptures in my post on the first two pages here?
So.....we see you have nothing, no scriptures and nothing other then you tiny little opinion, which mean nothing and certianly proves you have no idea what the bible says on much of anything. If you did you would have posted them by now. It seems you are pr ...[text shortened]... of loose conduct.—Jude 4."
Do you see the scriptures in that statement? See and learn.....
I've given you the Isaiah scripture and a full rational behind your error in interpreting it. You can igore it, and of course you will because you have no response.
Peace.
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"Jesus preached about the Kingdom of God. He spoke of a time for judging the nations and peoples. He warned of a tribulation that would be greater than any that had yet occurred. And he gave a composite sign to indicate when the end of the world as we know it would be at hand.—Matthew 9:35; Mark 13:19; Luke 21:7-11; John 12:31."
All these scriptures show what would be happening and why it would be different then any other time.
Isaiah 9: 6-7 referenced...
Galveston75; you recognise 2 gods (at least).
A Mighty god and an Almighty god.
One of these gods (the "Mighty" one) you admit is Jesus who you also claim is an angel.
Jesus is your Mighty God and Saviour and the archangel Michael.
The Archangel Micheal is your Saviour.
Jehovah is also your Almighty God and Saviour.
This is polytheism Galveston. Paganism.
"The New World’s Foundation Now Being Formed"
What is also marvelous is the fact that the foundation of God’s new world is being formed right now, even as Satan’s old world degenerates. Before our very eyes, God is collecting people from all nations and forming them into the foundation of a new earthly society that will soon replace today’s disunited world. In the Bible, at 2 Peter 3:13, this new society is called “a new earth.”
Bible prophecy also says: “In the final part of the days [the time in which we now live] . . . , many peoples will certainly go and say: ‘Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah [his true worship], . . . and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.’”—Isaiah 2:2-3.
That prophecy is now being fulfilled among those who submit to ‘God’s ways and walk in his paths.’ The last book of the Bible speaks of this peace-loving international society of people as “a great crowd . . . out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,” a true global brotherhood serving God unitedly. And the Bible also says: “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation.” That is, they will survive the end of this evil system of things.—Revelation 7:9, 14; Matthew 24:3.
"Righteousness Replaces Wickedness"
All of this will be made possible by the destruction of Satan’s world. No more will there be divisive false religions, social systems, or governments. No more will there be satanic propaganda to deceive people; all the agencies producing it will go down with Satan’s system. Just think: the entire poisonous atmosphere of Satan’s world cleared away! What a relief that will be!
Then the destructive ideas of human rule will be replaced by the upbuilding teaching that comes from God. “All your sons will be persons taught by Jehovah.” (Isaiah 54:13) With this wholesome instruction year after year, “the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.” (Isaiah 11:9) People will no more learn what is bad, but “righteousness is what the inhabitants of the productive land will certainly learn.” (Isaiah 26:9) Upbuilding thoughts and actions will be the order of the day.—Acts 17:31; Philippians 4:8.
Thus, there will be no more murder, violence, rape, robbery, or any other crime. No one will have to suffer because of the wicked deeds of others. Proverbs 10:30 says: “As for the righteous one, to time indefinite he will not be caused to stagger; but as for the wicked ones, they will not keep residing on the earth.”
"A Truly Peaceful World"
True peace in all areas of life will be realized. Wars, promoters of wars, and the manufacturing of weapons will be things of the past. Why? Because divisive national, tribal, and racial interests will disappear. Then, in the fullest sense, “they will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.”—Micah 4:3.
This may seem astonishing in view of man’s bloodthirsty history of constant war. But that has come about because mankind has been under human and demon rule. In the new world, under Kingdom rule, this is what will happen: “Come, you people, behold the activities of Jehovah . . . He is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth. The bow he breaks apart and does cut the spear in pieces; the [war] wagons he burns in the fire.”—Psalm 46:8, 9.
Man and beast will also be at peace, as they were in Eden. (Genesis 1:28; 2:19) God says: “For them I shall certainly conclude a covenant in that day in connection with the wild beast of the field and with the flying creature of the heavens and the creeping thing of the ground, and . . . I will make them lie down in security.”—Hosea 2:18.
How extensive will that peace be? “The wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them.” Never again will the animals be a threat to man or to themselves. Even “the lion will eat straw just like the bull”!—Isaiah 11:6-9; 65:25.
Originally posted by galveston75You are claiming that the imminence of "time of the end" is indicated, among other things, by "everyone" who is Christian being "persecuted". How can you possibly claim that this is the situation in the world as it is today? Has there ever been a time when people "who want to live a godly life in union with Christ Jesus" have been as free as they are nowadays to exercise their faith and live free of persecution?
The Last Days [...] 2 Tim 3: 12 [...]
12 Everyone who wants to live a godly life in union with Christ Jesus will be persecuted; 13 and evil persons and impostors will keep on "going from bad to worse", deceiving others and being deceived themselves.
Originally posted by FMFJesus foretold that most people would ignore the evidence that we are living in the last days. The destruction of the wicked will come suddenly and unexpectedly. Like a thief in the night, it will catch most people by surprise. (1 Thessalonians 5:2) Jesus warned: “As the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”—Matthew 24:37-39.
You are claiming that the imminence of "time of the end" is indicated, among other things, by "everyone" who is Christian being "persecuted". How can you possibly claim that this is the situation in the world as it is today? Has there ever been a time when people "who want to live a godly life in union with Christ Jesus" have been as free as they are nowadays to exercise their faith and live free of persecution?
1 Thessalonians 5:2Good News Translation (GNT)
2 For you yourselves know very well that the Day of the Lord will come as a thief comes at night.
Matthew 24:37-39Good News Translation (GNT)
37 The coming of the Son of Man will be like what happened in the time of Noah. 38 In the days before the flood people ate and drank, men and women married, up to the very day Noah went into the boat; 39 yet they did not realize what was happening until the flood came and swept them all away. That is how it will be when the Son of Man comes.
Luke 12:40 Good News Translation (GNT)
40 And you, too, must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you are not expecting him.”
I'm not going to explain these scriptures. You either believe the bible or you don't.
Originally posted by galveston75You are dodging the question which is how on earth can you seriously claim that "everyone" who is Christian is being "persecuted" in the world today?
Jesus foretold that most people would ignore the evidence that we are living in the last days. The destruction of the wicked will come suddenly and unexpectedly. Like a thief in the night, it will catch most people by surprise. (1 Thessalonians 5:2) Jesus warned: “As the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in th ...[text shortened]... im.”
I'm not going to explain these scriptures. You either believe the bible or you don't.
Originally posted by FMFNever said that. The posting is speaking of God's true followers only. Most who claim to be christians will never see any persecustion. Not a good sign for them...
You are dodging the question which is how on earth can you seriously claim that "everyone" who is Christian is being "persecuted" in the world today?