08 Jan 15
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Originally posted by vivifyWhat is the scripture saying I posted? Is it saying there has not always been badness? No. Also this:
What is it saying, then?
The Last Days: 2 Tim 3: 1-5
1 Remember that there will be difficult times in the last days. 2 People will be selfish, greedy, boastful, and conceited; they will be insulting, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, and irreligious; 3 they will be unkind, merciless, slanderers, violent, and fierce; they will hate the good; 4 they will be treacherous, reckless, and swollen with pride; they will love pleasure rather than God; 5 they will hold to the outward form of our religion, but reject its real power. Keep away from such people.
Originally posted by galveston75Can you cite just one of them? I don't think you can. If there are supposedly many of them ~ or "most" ~ it ought to be easy. You'll probably tell me to look it up myself, but the onus is on you as it is you who has made the claim.
Many posters in other discussions. In fact most say this...
Originally posted by galveston75It was exactly like this in Jesus' day, wasn't it? Didn't Jesus accuse the Pharisees of having an outward form or their religion, but rejected it's real power? And couldn't you make the argument that Jesus believed he was in the "last days"?
What is the scripture saying I posted? Is it saying there has not always been badness? No. Also this:
The Last Days: 2 Tim 3: 1-5
1 Remember that there will be difficult times in the last days. 2 People will be selfish, greedy, boastful, and conceited; they will be insulting, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, and irreligious; 3 they will b ...[text shortened]... hold to the outward form of our religion, but reject its real power. Keep away from such people.
08 Jan 15
Originally posted by FMFOk the discussion here is on what's happening in the world today and what the bible says. It is not who said what and when they said it. if you don't want to discuss this please leave the thread and stop hijacking it.
You made the claim. The onus is on you to substantiate it.
08 Jan 15
Originally posted by vivifyHe knew the Jewish system was about to end which it did 40 years later. There was a minor fulfillment for that time, but the major things he spoke of were concerning the whole world not just that immediate time period.
It was exactly like this in Jesus' day, wasn't it? Didn't Jesus accuse the Pharisees of having an outward form or their religion, but rejected it's real power? And couldn't you make the argument that Jesus believed he was in the "last days"?
Originally posted by galveston75But it's you yourself ~ in your own OP ~ and not me, who said "Just wondering if those who say, "no nothing has changed in our day from the past", still feel the same with all the things happening in the world now?" How can I be "hijacking" your thread if I am addressing what you said in the OP?
Ok the discussion here is on what's happening in the world today and what the bible says. It is not who said what and when they said it. if you don't want to discuss this please leave the thread and stop hijacking it.
Originally posted by galveston75As for the discussion, well, I have said this:
Ok the discussion here is on what's happening in the world today and what the bible says.
"I think in many key ways the world is a better place now than it was in 1960, 1910, 1860, 1810 and so on."
And this:
"Things are mostly getting better right across the board where I live, the fifth biggest country in this real world we both live in. Although there are still plenty of people not fully benefitting from all aspects of progress, the proportion that isn't is decreasing."
And yet you appear to be avoiding any "discussion".
Originally posted by galveston75What do you mean "end"? Those same religious practices continue on today among Jews.
He knew the Jewish system was about to end which it did 40 years later. There was a minor fulfillment for that time, but the major things he spoke of were concerning the whole world not just that immediate time period.
"What indicates that we today are living in “the last days”?
The Bible describes events and conditions that mark this significant time period. “The sign” is a composite one made up of many evidences; thus its fulfillment requires that all aspects of the sign be clearly in evidence during one generation. The various aspects of the sign are recorded at Matthew chapters 24, 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21; there are further details at 2 Timothy 3:1-5, 2 Peter 3:3, 4, and Revelation 6:1-8.
08 Jan 15
Revelation 12:12 Good News Translation (GNT)
12 And so be glad, you heavens, and all you that live there! But how terrible for the earth and the sea! For the Devil has come down to you, and he is filled with rage, because he knows that he has only a little time left.”
This is the reason why wickedness would escalate during the last days before armegeddon.
08 Jan 15
Originally posted by galveston75Do you get Google news alerts which prompt you every time to write an "end times" post?
The Last Days
2 Tim 3: 1-5, 12 & 13
1 Remember that there will be difficult times in the last days. 2 People will be selfish, greedy, boastful, and conceited; they will be insulting, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, and irreligious; 3 they will be unkind, merciless, slanderers, violent, and fierce; they will hate the good; 4 they will be ...[text shortened]... e same with all the things happening in the world now?
Sorry I missed adding the title......
08 Jan 15
Originally posted by galveston75Even if the "Devil has come down"
Revelation 12:12 Good News Translation (GNT)
12 And so be glad, you heavens, and all you that live there! But how terrible for the earth and the sea! For the Devil has come down to you, and he is filled with rage, because he knows that he has only a little time left.”
This is the reason why wickedness would escalate during the last days before armegeddon.
Even if the world is about to lurch into apocalyptic devastation
Even if Jesus is about to return
Even then...you are still wrong about blood transfusions, the deity and identity of Christ, what constitutes Matt 28:19, birthdays, the Lord's supper, what is required for salvation, the 144,000, shunning, and mostly about being the sole holders of god's truth on earth.
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