Spirituality
30 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidI was a Christian for 25 or so years. I have been a non-Christian for about 20 years. How many is that? You count it. And yes, I am comfortable with, and clear-eyed about, my lack of theist belief.
You have been a Theist, and how many other definitions have you applied to yourself and are you sure you got it right now?
@fmf saidIf we were speaking of one compass being broken only it alone would not point as
If you feel your moral compass is "broken" then so be it.
correctly as the rest, but the whole lot is broken so that they all are pointing every
which way. You don’t see that and of them all only yours is good?
31 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidOnce again, my moral compass is not "broken". If you are worried that yours is "broken", then I hope you sort it out.
If we were speaking of one compass being broken only it alone would not point as correctly as the rest, but the whole lot is broken so that they all are are pointing every which way. You don’t see that and of them all yours is good?
01 Sep 22
@kellyjay saidYou asked me "how many other definitions have you applied to yourself?" And now those goalposts have crumbled away when it turned out not to be a gotcha question.
Yes your compass as been as solid they come.
My loss of faith affected what I do and don't believe about supernatural causality and the identity of Jesus, but it didn't affect my moral compass.
The influence that Christian values ["nurture"] had on it did not disappear when I realized that my faith was lost.
01 Sep 22
@fmf saidBroken
You asked me "how many other definitions have you applied to yourself?" And now those goalposts have crumbled away when it turned out not to be a gotcha question.
My loss of faith affected what I do and don't believe about supernatural causality and the identity of Jesus, but it didn't affect my moral compass.
The influence that Christian values ["nurture"] had on it did not disappear when I realized that my faith was lost.
@divegeester saidThe OP is a gormless strawman. It's just a prelude to one of his dogeared riffs: people's moral compasses are useless and broken if they don't "point in the same direction" as his.
Has anyone yet figured out what point KellyJay is making with the OP?
01 Sep 22
@fmf saidYou don't follow along well since the point of broken moral compasses is that
The OP is a gormless strawman. It's just a prelude to one of his dogeared riffs: people's moral compasses are useless and broken if they don't "point in the same direction" as his.
we cannot look at ourselves and judge properly because everyone has a broken
compass. You, however, think yours is working fine compared to everyone else',
I supposed, and you think I'm the arrogant one here?
Concerning consequences for actions, in a world of broken compasses, can you
claim one is doing wrong when they are simply following along with their
compass and may, just like you, believe their compass is spot on, correct? You
do judge others here for how they think; I'm assuming because being the one
with the unbroken compass, you can.
Punishment for actions and inactions is and right of culture or the authority
whose power we find ourselves in, this is acceptably true?
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01 Sep 22
@kellyjay saidThis post by you must hold the record for the number of logical fallacies and the most circular reasoning ever.
You don't follow along well since the point of broken moral compasses is that
we cannot look at ourselves and judge properly because everyone has a broken
compass. You, however, think yours is working fine compared to everyone else',
I supposed, and you think I'm the arrogant one here?
Concerning consequences for actions, in a world of broken compasses, can you
claim ...[text shortened]... is and right of culture or the authority
whose power we find ourselves in, this is acceptably true?