Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the Bible makes it quite clear that all humans have recourse to the faculty of
conscience, however, one only need to look at the present state of affairs and it becomes readily discernible that moral independence from God has resulted in absolute misery for humanity.

1. Present financial crisis, economic greed on an unprecedented scale,
2. d ...[text shortened]... re for HIV - moral corruption and depravity

tell me when you want me to stop, ill be glad to.

i though you were not going to babble?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i though you were not going to babble?

this is not Babble, its factually supported by empirical evidence, you havering on about
where you put your fingers is unadulterated babble, double concentrated and hyper
intensive babble.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
one cannot prove or disprove it, the question is therefore quite futile. Either you see
evidence by inference from an observation of the natural universe i.e intelligence,
design, harmony in living things and through deeds and teaching inspired in scripture or
you do not.

That is because man has not evolved yet to a state where
he can see that violence and greed are not the way forward
to a better world.

I am on the fence with this one.

I do not know if there is or is not a god.

I don't put much faith in evolution either.

If we are supposed to have evolved from apes,
then why are there still apes?

There are lots of unanswered questions.

I just don't believe that religious organizations have the answers.

There are too many of them all saying different things
and all of them claiming to be right.

How many times has your organization been wrong?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
1. Present financial crisis, economic greed on an unprecedented scale,
2. deforestation, unprecedented spoiling of the earths natural resources, greed and corruption,
3. lack of fish stocks, unprecedented overfishing fomented by greed,
4. wars over oil, Iraq, moral corruption and greed and new imperialism
5 Highest ever recorded figure for HIV - moral corruption and depravity

These are all political issues. So you have a stance that you take on each of these issues?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
this is not Babble, its factually supported by empirical evidence, you havering on about
where you put your fingers is unadulterated babble, double concentrated and hyper
intensive babble.

no, you say that there are rules dictating where are the right on wrong places you can stick a penis. i think its a perfectly sensible question to ask where else can i not put my penis and is there a set of rules for fingers?

i.e. can i stick my finger in somebody else's bum?


also there is no empirical evidence to support intelligent design. in fact the opposite is true. you just choose to ignore the millions of examples of crap design.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
That is because man has not evolved yet to a state where
he can see that violence and greed are not the way forward
to a better world.

I am on the fence with this one.

I do not know if there is or is not a god.

I don't put much faith in evolution either.

If we are supposed to have evolved from apes,
then why are there still apes?

Th ...[text shortened]... ngs
and all of them claiming to be right.

How many times has your organization been wrong?

I don't put much faith in evolution either.

If we are supposed to have evolved from apes,
then why are there still apes?

There are lots of unanswered questions.

The questions have been answered. I recommend The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
That is because man has not evolved yet to a state where
he can see that violence and greed are not the way forward
to a better world.

I am on the fence with this one.

I do not know if there is or is not a god.

I don't put much faith in evolution either.

If we are supposed to have evolved from apes,
then why are there still apes?

Th ...[text shortened]... ngs
and all of them claiming to be right.

How many times has your organization been wrong?

forget religious organizations, read the Bible for yourself.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
no, you say that there are rules dictating where are the right on wrong places you can stick a penis. i think its a perfectly sensible question to ask where else can i not put my penis and is there a set of rules for fingers?

i.e. can i stick my finger in somebody else's bum?


also there is no empirical evidence to support intelligent design. in fact the opposite is true. you just choose to ignore the millions of examples of crap design.

I put the finger on you.............


song by AC/DC

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
forget religious organizations, read the Bible for yourself.

How many times has your organization been wrong?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
no, you say that there are rules dictating where are the right on wrong places you can stick a penis. i think its a perfectly sensible question to ask where else can i not put my penis and is there a set of rules for fingers?

i.e. can i stick my finger in somebody else's bum?


also there is no empirical evidence to support intelligent design. in fact the opposite is true. you just choose to ignore the millions of examples of crap design.

you are not a christian, you are an unbeliever, the principles in scripture apply only to
those who are Christians, defined by the simple idea that a christian is one who adopts
the teachings of Christ, that is not you. Our standards are different from your
standards. As i stated, you are free to believe what you want, I for one, would not
trade you for the world, its a beautiful thing to be a Christian.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
How many times has your organization been wrong?

plenty, we have never claimed to be infallible.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are not a christian, you are an unbeliever, the principles in scripture apply only to
those who are Christians, defined by the simple idea that a christian is one who adopts
the teachings of Christ, that is not you. Our standards are different from your
standards.

So your god only loves Christians then is that it?

The rest of mankind that your Jesus came to save
can all go take a running jump is that it?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are not a christian, you are an unbeliever, the principles in scripture apply only to
those who are Christians, defined by the simple idea that a christian is one who adopts
the teachings of Christ, that is not you. Our standards are different from your
standards.

hey, i was christened as a catholic, im sanctified. that totally trumps being a member of a tiny christ cult. you should be kneeling before me and trying to kiss my ring.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
So your god only loves Christians then is that it?

The rest of mankind that your Jesus came to save
can all go take a running jump is that it?

No God demonstrates love to everyone, he did after all send his son and makes the
sun shine on both the righteous and the unrighteous, but we are different from you
johnny, we have different standards of morality, its not that we are better in ourselves,
there is just something awesome about leading a simple and uncluttered life, free from
materialism, greed, avarice, depravity of all kinds. I have no issues Johnny, do you
realize the freedom that it brings? Its just awesome.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
hey, i was christened as a catholic, im sanctified. that totally trumps being a member of a tiny christ cult. you should be kneeling before me and trying to kiss my ring.

White Smoke!!!!!!!!!!



All hail the new Pontiff

Pope Stellspalfie the first.