http://scitechdaily.com/homosexuality-might-develop-in-the-womb-due-to-epigenetic-changes/

Why is there religious bias against gays if they really are born that way?

You would be saying your god set up those folks for failure.

Originally posted by sonhouse
http://scitechdaily.com/homosexuality-might-develop-in-the-womb-due-to-epigenetic-changes/

Why is there religious bias against gays if they really are born that way?

You would be saying your god set up those folks for failure.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=1335

Originally posted by sonhouse
http://scitechdaily.com/homosexuality-might-develop-in-the-womb-due-to-epigenetic-changes/

Why is there religious bias against gays if they really are born that way?

You would be saying your god set up those folks for failure.

Originally posted by sonhouse
http://scitechdaily.com/homosexuality-might-develop-in-the-womb-due-to-epigenetic-changes/

Why is there religious bias against gays if they really are born that way?

You would be saying your god set up those folks for failure.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Meh, who cares.

Even if is 100% choice, there is still no reason to condemn gays other than "God doesn't like it", which is really just a way of saying "it makes me uncomfortable".

Originally posted by sonhouse
Of course but companies like Salvation Army actively call for the death of gays.

I heard of a story where a gay dude went into a SA hostel asking for food and I guess the dude was a bit on the fem side and they asked him if he was gay, he said yes, they go, we can't serve you here then, because you are gay.

Blatant discrimination. Not sure if someone can sue an organization like that if it is in their charter.

Appearing on the “Salt and Pepper” radio program, Craibe was asked about the Salvation Army’s position on homosexuality and a section in its “Handbook of Doctrine” that cites a Biblical passage -- Romans 1:18-32 -- containing a condemnation of homosexuality. The passage mentions that in God’s eyes, “those who practice such things are deserving of death.”

One of the radio hosts, Serena Ryan, expressed concern over the passage and asked, “How do you respond to that as part of your doctrine?”

Craibe responded: “Well, that’s a part of our belief system. We have an alignment to the Scriptures that that’s our belief.”

Later, Ryan again pressed Craibe on the issue “Honestly, Andrew, tell me, as a human being, how can you qualify that?”

Craibe replied: “Well, I qualify by way of, that’s where my belief system is structured, you know? It’s what it comes down to, that salvation story, and that we can be redeemed from that. That’s my belief.”

On Saturday, two days after the interview, Salvation Army Australia issued a statement seeking to clarify its stance on gays and lesbians.

“This is a misunderstanding of the text referred to. The Scripture in question, viewed in its broader context, is not referring to physical death, nor is it specifically targeted at homosexual behavior. The author is arguing that no human being is without sin, all sin leads to spiritual death (separation from God), and all people therefore need a Saviour,” the statement said.

“The Salvation Army acknowledges that the response in the interview has led to a serious misunderstanding of our teaching and that clarification should have been given during the interview.”

The statement added: “The Salvation Army sincerely apologises to all members of the GLBT community and to all our clients, employees, volunteers and those who are part of our faith communities for the offence caused by this miscommunication.”

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/26/12422740-salvation-army-australia-apologizes-for-officials-anti-gay-comments?lite

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Are you referring to the following incident? At the bottom the SA offered both clarification and an apology. If this was the incident, then it seems unfair to characterize the SA as "actively call[ing] for the death of gays."

Appearing on the “Salt and Pepper” radio program, Craibe was asked about the Salvation Army’s position on homosexuality ...[text shortened]... 6/12422740-salvation-army-australia-apologizes-for-officials-anti-gay-comments?lite

Originally posted by sonhouse
They were forced to apologize I imagine. The basic policy of discrimination against the GL league is still there.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b]The basic policy of discrimination against the GL league is still there.

Do you have actual evidence of a "basic POLICY of discrimination against the GL league"? Or only isolated incidents of SA members who have acted in a discriminatory manner?[/b]

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b]The basic policy of discrimination against the GL league is still there.

Do you have actual evidence of a "basic POLICY of discrimination against the GL league"? Or only isolated incidents of SA members who have acted in a discriminatory manner?[/b]

Originally posted by Rank outsider
I have to say that hearing you demand 'actual evidence', when you ducked the very same question on the corporal punishment thread, makes me smile.

The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin which deserves the death penalty. The Salvation Army is just being consistent to the words of the Bible.

That seems pretty discriminatory to me.

Originally posted by Rank outsider
I have to say that hearing you demand 'actual evidence', when you ducked the very same question on the corporal punishment thread, makes me smile.

The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin which deserves the death penalty. The Salvation Army is just being consistent to the words of the Bible.

That seems pretty discriminatory to me.

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"Do you have actual evidence of a "basic POLICY of discrimination against the GL league"? Or only isolated incidents of SA members who have acted in a discriminatory manner?"

Originally posted by sonhouse
What verse says they deserve death? Never mind, found one link:

http://www.openbible.info/topics/gays

The thing is, why would your god condemn gays when he/she/it (whatever) supposedly CREATED them in the first place?

From what I read, they don't just choose to be gay and there are plenty of stories about showing 3 year old boys ONLY playing with nspired by a god there would be no such discrimination against women and the gay community.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Not being gay, I don't have first hand info but I'll look online and see what I can suss out.

Here is one piece. They cite a NY times article about their policies which I haven't read.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/06/salvation-army-official-gays-deserve-death/53885/

Another piece, a blog, in Boston listing a timeline:

http://www.bo ...[text shortened]... s while men are worth 50 and get a ho-hum response but that pretty much spells it right out.