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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeHe considers his own invention "profound".
He has stated that he finds the words of Jesus 'profound', but that's about the extent of his bravery when it comes to explaining his personal beliefs. (Worth noting that I too would describe the words attributed to Jesus as profound, despite my clearly stated atheism).
Here and there, if he can exploit a few words of Jesus Christ to lend credence, dignity, and seeming authenticity to his invention, he will speak glowingly that those sayings represent "Jesus' ministry while he walked the earth."
Towards Jesus ministry he is a ravenous wolf wanting to tear His ministry apart violently. But this is obviously anti-Christ.
So we have a wolf in sheep's clothing - a typical false prophet.
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
By their fruits you will recognize them. Do men gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles." (Matt. 7:15,16)
Now I think I come to the reason why ThinkOfOne conceals his atheism. It is a "fruit" by which all will plainly recognize he is not a true prophet. Since confession of atheism will make him known, I think he feels he is being wise to stealth-fully conceal his true feelings.
Better to cloak his denial of God's existence then to let the wicked fruit be exposed indicating he is a false prophet.
Now by "prophet" I do not mean one who predicts the future only. I think Christ simply meant one who speaks for God - speaks forth on behalf of God.
This false prophet purports to speak forth for God, yet I think he really has Man as his only ultimate authority. - Atheism / Humanism.
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I think ToO’s already gone on record as saying he believes Jesus Christ was only a man. By consistently castigating God the Father and praising Jesus Christ, ToO is perversely claiming man (JC in his thinking) is superior to God (God the Father.)
It’s a pretty warped viewpoint, but consistent with my belief that a lot of atheists actually do believe in God - but they hate Him. I think ToO fits that mold.
03 Apr 18
Originally posted by @romans1009I honestly think you need to reconsider your belief that 'a lot of atheists actually do believe in God - but they hate Him.'
I think ToO’s already gone on record as saying he believes Jesus Christ was only a man. By consistently castigating God the Father and praising Jesus Christ, ToO is perversely claiming man (JC in his thinking) is superior to God (God the Father.)
It’s a pretty warped viewpoint, but consistent with my belief that a lot of atheists actually do believe in God - but they hate Him. I think ToO fits that mold.
Such 'atheists' (individuals) probably do exist, but are 'not' atheists in any meaningful sense of the word. An atheist by definition does 'not' believe in a God or Gods. If such an individual does secretly believe in a God (which would be necessary in order to hate Him) then he is 'not' an atheist. (Or to steal sonship's expression, a wolf in sheep's clothing).
A genuine atheist simply doesn't believe in God, and as such, there is nothing there to hate (or fear). - I sincerely ask you to think on that. (As an atheist myself I know what I am talking about).
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI should have edited my most recent post to say “a lot of self-professed atheists.”
I honestly think you need to reconsider your belief that 'a lot of atheists actually do believe in God - but they hate Him.'
Such 'atheists' (individuals) probably do exist, but are 'not' atheists in any meaningful sense of the word. An atheist by definition does 'not' believe in a God or Gods. If such an individual does secretly believe in a God ...[text shortened]... . - I sincerely ask you to think on that. (As an atheist myself I know what I am talking about).
Apologies.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
I honestly think you need to reconsider your belief that 'a lot of atheists actually do believe in God - but they hate Him.'
Such 'atheists' (individuals) probably do exist, but are 'not' atheists in any meaningful sense of the word. An atheist by definition does 'not' believe in a God or Gods. If such an individual does secretly believe in a God ...[text shortened]... . - I sincerely ask you to think on that. (As an atheist myself I know what I am talking about).
(Or to steal sonship's expression, a wolf in sheep's clothing).
Christ's expression.
04 Apr 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Yes, I can accept 'self-professed atheists.'
I should have edited my most recent post to say “a lot of self-professed atheists.”
Apologies.
04 Apr 18
Originally posted by @sonshipAllegedly.(Or to steal sonship's expression, a wolf in sheep's clothing).
Christ's expression.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeHave you evidence from, let's say, the first five or six centuries of church history that it was seriously disputed that the expression came from His mouth?
Allegedly.
Many good study bibles like The Emphasized Bible, often include study notes informing the reader of textural variants and possible manuscript emendations from copyists.
04 Apr 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI don't take at face value any words attributed to anybody that were only written down decades after they were said.
Have you evidence from, let's say, the first five or six centuries of church history that it was seriously disputed that the expression came from His mouth?
Many good study bibles like [b]The Emphasized Bible, often include study notes informing the reader of textural variants and possible manuscript emendations from copyists.[/b]
Do you think that unreasonable, bearing in mind I don't buy into the whole 'inspired word of God' thing?
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeIf you don't think the historical document of the New Testament can be reliable as recording what the earliest disciples of Jesus taught and recorded of His sayings, then there is no other ancient figure in western civilization you can more reasonably accept and being accurately testified to.
I don't take at face value any words attributed to anybody that were only written down decades after they were said.
Do you think that unreasonable, bearing in mind I don't buy into the whole 'inspired word of God' thing?
That time gap from when they lived and when the earliest copies of writings ABOUT them is far greater in many cases. than the gap from Jesus' life and the New Testament writing.
God already thought of those things and preemptively assured that we have more reason to believe about Jesus Christ then we have to believe about any other person of ancient history.
it is the CONTENT of the message which causes you deeper concern that you are not getting what really happened and was really said.