16 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidThere really is no need for you to pull "troll moves" simply because you get ruffled in conversations.
I can accept; and i can see this as fact.
Thank you for your through response.
Nor does asserting that you are "Christ-like" work.
I still contend that your asking of the question "...why would people do good works without some sort of belief in God or His goodness?" exhibits a baffling paucity of thought on this issue and probably a life-experience deficit on your part when it comes to the nature of "belief", "lack of belief" and where people get their moral compasses from.
16 Jul 20
@fmf said😆
There really is no need for you to pull "troll moves" simply because you get ruffled in conversations.
Nor does asserting that you are "Christ-like" work.
I still contend that your asking of the question "...why would people do good works without some sort of belief in God or His goodness?" exhibits a baffling paucity of thought on this issue and probably a life-experienc ...[text shortened]... t comes to the nature of "belief", "lack of belief" and where people get their moral compasses from.
16 Jul 20
@fmf saidIt's a tangent!
I think the assertion "Everyone knows God whether they admit Him or not" is indeed a tangent. So I started a thread based on it. Here the assertion was abruptly sidestepping the thing that he and I were talking about. On its own thread, it can receive the attention it warrants.
So, I wanted to go and start a thread on someone else's tangent, to ensure that I could talk about it in a separate place..!
Now, it's no longer a tangent! It has a home!
Good move.
16 Jul 20
@rajk999 saidI think everyone recognizes the necessity of actually practicing these things in addition to studying them and attending church.
You guys are just stroking each other, and not discussing anything meaningful. If you think you are then please provide some evidence from the teachings of Christ that going to church and reading the bible constitute good works like King David claimed. Bear in mind that the story of the Good Samaritan shows that Christ condemns that notion by showing how simply going to chur ...[text shortened]... ible [practiced by the priest and Levite], without putting the teachings into practice is pointless.
We are told to go to Church and that the church is good,.
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
(Heb. 10:24, 25)
I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these things to you so that, if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.
(1 Tim. 3:14,15)
Etc.
What's the argument that Christians should not gather together in churches and study the words?
16 Jul 20
@fmf saidWait!
I still contend that your asking of the question "...why would people do good works without some sort of belief in God or His goodness?" exhibits a baffling paucity of thought on this issue and probably a life-experience deficit on your part when it comes to the nature of "belief", "lack of belief" and where people get their moral compasses from.
Shouldn't he answer this in the new thread -- where there's less risk of him going off on a TANGENT?
What about the new thread?!
16 Jul 20
@philokalia saidKingDavid403 ~ on the new thread ~ doesn't seem interested in his own assertion anymore and also seems to be confessing to trolling. It's a pity.
What about the new thread?!
16 Jul 20
@philokalia saidFMF: "Belief in God" cannot be attributed to people who do not believe in God simply because they do good.
It's a tangent!
KingDavid403: So you truly think that you, everyone you know, life around us and in us, the cosmos, etc. Are all just a fluke? Without God, everything would be just a fluke. What say you? I say everyone knows whether they admit Him or not.
If you don't see that as sidestepping, fair enough.
And if you yourself do not want to discuss the assertion that 'Everyone knows God whether they admit Him or not', then I suggest you avoid the new thread dedicated to it.
@fmf saidKingDavid403: So you truly think that you, everyone you know, life around us and in us, the cosmos, etc. Are all just a fluke? Without God, everything would be just a fluke. What say you? I say everyone knows whether they admit Him or not.
FMF: "Belief in God" cannot be attributed to people who do not believe in God simply because they do good.
KingDavid403: So you truly think that you, everyone you know, life around us and in us, the cosmos, etc. Are all just a fluke? Without God, everything would be just a fluke. What say you? I say everyone knows whether they admit Him or not.
If you don't se ...[text shortened]... e knows God whether they admit Him or not', then I suggest you avoid the new thread dedicated to it.
I spoke in absolutes again. My bad.
However, without a creator God, everything is just a fluke of the Cosmos; is it not?
Remember your current stance.:
I am open-minded about there being a creator being.
Why is this?
16 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidSpeaking in absolutes is not a big problem in a message board chat. Clumsilt evsding a question about your attribution of belief in God to people who don't believe in God by abruptly asking about the origins of the universe and asserting that non-believers simply don't "admit" that they are believers, is a conversational dodge.
KingDavid403: So you truly think that you, everyone you know, life around us and in us, the cosmos, etc. Are all just a fluke? Without God, everything would be just a fluke. What say you? I say everyone knows whether they admit Him or not.
I spoke in absolutes again. My bad.
@fmf saidRemember your current stance:
Speaking in absolutes is not a big problem in a message board chat. Clumsilt evsding a question about your attribution of belief in God to people who don't believe in God by abruptly asking about the origins of the universe and asserting that non-believers simply don't "admit" that they are believers, is a conversational dodge.
I am open-minded about there being a creator being.
Why is this?
Without a creator God, everything is just a fluke of the Cosmos; is it not?
16 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidI don't know. But the leap from the possible existence of a creator being, on one hand, to notions of "salvation" and "eternal life" and so on, on the other, is one I leave to the religionists.
However, without a creator God, everything is just a fluke of the Cosmos; is it not?
16 Jul 20
@handyandy saidNot bad. That would be a deist version of my agnostic atheism.
@FMF
I think Carl Sagan had the right answer:
He believed that God exists but that no one has found him yet.
@fmf saidI leave to the religionists.
I don't know. But the leap from the possible existence of a creator being, on one hand, to notions of "salvation" and "eternal life" and so on, on the other, is one I leave to the religionists.
lol... please show us where?
You have many posts in this thread. So how can you say this?
16 Jul 20
@kingdavid403 saidMy answer to this has not changed since 24 hours ago when you asked me the same question.
Remember your current stance:
I am open-minded about there being a creator being.
Why is this?