Brunei's new laws

@rajk999 said
Yes you do. The judge stated very clearly what criteria is critical and you constantly belitttle me for quoting the judge. You dont believe what the judge says and rather you quote the church doctrine.

Not true, feel free to show me my errors.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Yes, and no.

Zzzz

@rajk999 said
I know what you believe,. For you faith means professions of faith with the mouth.
The answer is NO.

More projection on your part. Zzzz

If you now say faith IS a requirement how exactly can atheists be saved ?

@dj2becker said
More projection on your part. Zzzz

If you now say faith IS a requirement how exactly can atheists be saved ?

The expression 'atheist' means nothing. Same with the term 'Christian'. These terms have no bearing on judgment and entry into the Kingdom of God. You and the churches are 'respecters of persons' and of their status and titles. You are in error. God is no respecter of persons but instead looks at the heart of man and at the persons works and obedience. Professing faith without works is dead. In the end works is what is going to count. You claim that I quote Matt 25 too much. Here is another one. There are dozens more

.. the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God. (Romans 2:5-11 KJV)

EVERY MAN will face the same judgment. Your professions of faith are pointless if it is not backed up with good works. The man who professes nothing but does the good works will enter the kingdom of God.

@rajk999 said
The expression 'atheist' means nothing. Same with the term 'Christian'. These terms have no bearing on judgment and entry into the Kingdom of God. You and the churches are 'respecters of persons' and of their status and titles. You are in error. God is no respecter of persons but instead looks at the heart of man and at the persons works and obedience. Professing faith with ...[text shortened]... ith good works. The man who professes nothing but does the good works will enter the kingdom of God.

So just to be clear you’re saying it’s not necessary to bow the knee to God, admit you’re a sinner and repent of
your sin first before God enables you to do ‘good works’?

@dj2becker said
So just to be clear you’re saying it’s not necessary to bow the knee to God, admit you’re a sinner and repent of
your sin first before God enables you to do ‘good works’?

No.

@rajk999 said
The expression 'atheist' means nothing. Same with the term 'Christian'. These terms have no bearing on judgment and entry into the Kingdom of God. You and the churches are 'respecters of persons' and of their status and titles. You are in error. God is no respecter of persons but instead looks at the heart of man and at the persons works and obedience. Professing faith with ...[text shortened]... ith good works. The man who professes nothing but does the good works will enter the kingdom of God.

I've never said that we would not be doing good works, I have said it isn't through our good works we are justified by God in the here and now. We are saved by Jesus Christ and in His grace we have peace with God. God's love is in our hearts by the Holy Ghost who is given to us. Rejecting this isn't rejecting a doctrine, but God Himself in this life, nothing better than God.

KJV Romans:
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

@rajk999 said
No.

Ok, stop putting the cart before the horse then.

The righteous shall live by faith.

@kellyjay said
I've never said that we would not be doing good works, I have said it isn't through our good works we are justified by God in the here and now. We are saved by Jesus Christ and in His grace we have peace with God. God's love is in our hearts by the Holy Ghost who is given to us. Rejecting this isn't rejecting a doctrine, but God Himself in this life, nothing better than God. ...[text shortened]... amed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Saved is no guarantee of eternal life. Paul warned all the SAVED born again Christian Saints in the churches that failure to live righteously and do good works will mean no inheritance in the kingdom of God.

@rajk999 said
Saved is no guarantee of eternal life. Paul warned all the SAVED born again Christian Saints in the churches that failure to live righteously and do good works will mean no inheritance in the kingdom of God.

Obviously those that persevere till the end will be saved. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re saved only by works.

@rajk999 said
Saved is no guarantee of eternal life. Paul warned all the SAVED born again Christian Saints in the churches that failure to live righteously and do good works will mean no inheritance in the kingdom of God.

You keep saying that as if it were a once and done proposition it is NOT, we are to daily pick up crosses and follow Him, we are to abide in Him, He is our Life, our Way, the Truth we look to! In spite of what some may think, it isn't say a few words and pow we are at the end. Scripture doesn't teach that at any time, there may be people who want it that way, so they think they have a get out of jail card to sin as long as they want, but that isn't the gospel. In us dwells no good thing, apart from God you are not going to live righteously, because you will not be abiding in Christ, God's Spirit isn't within you, than nothing about you is any different than it was before you started using His name. With God He starts correcting us, showing how to live, how to love, He starts fixing us due to how broken we are.

Ephesians 4 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
He therefore gave some to be Apostles, and some Prophets, and some Evangelists, and some Pastors, and Teachers, For the repairing of the Saints, for the work of the ministry, and for the edification of the body of Christ, Till we all meet together (in the unity of faith and that acknowledging of the Son of God) unto a perfect man, and unto the measure of the age the fullness of Christ, That we henceforth be no more children, wavering and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the deceit of men, and with craftiness, whereby they lay in wait to deceive.

@dj2becker said
Obviously those that persevere till the end will be saved. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re saved only by works.

Obviously you are a very poor reader. I quoted you several bible passages that state clearly that in the end the criteria for entry into the Kingdom of God is GOOD WORKS.

@kellyjay said
You keep saying that as if it were a once and done proposition it is NOT, we are to daily pick up crosses and follow Him, we are to abide in Him, He is our Life, our Way, the Truth we look to! In spite of what some may think, it isn't say a few words and pow we are at the end. Scripture doesn't teach that at any time, there may be people who want it that way, so they think t ...[text shortened]... ry wind of doctrine, by the deceit of men, and with craftiness, whereby they lay in wait to deceive.

Christ will judge. You are constantly trying to judge the REASONS WHY someone does good works or live righteously. That is not your place.

@rajk999 said
Christ will judge. You are constantly trying to judge the REASONS WHY someone does good works or live righteously. That is not your place.

You continuously miss that this is the work of Jesus Christ in the lives of His own. You think God gives the Holy Spirit to those that don’t belong to Him, you think we can do the works of God without faith, without His Holy Spirit? It is impossible to please God without faith!

@kellyjay said
You continuously miss that this is the work of Jesus Christ in the lives of His own. You think God gives the Holy Spirit to those that don’t belong to Him, you think we can do the works of God without faith, without His Holy Spirit? It is impossible to please God without faith!

There are many who have no Holy Spirit who never heard of Christ, that will enter the Kingdom of God. Your faith only doctrine is foolishness. Jesus preached GOOD WORKS.

One of the longest sermons the Sermon on the Mount in Matt 5,6 and 7 where Jesus preached to many thousands of people, contains nothing about faith as a requirement for entry into the Kingdom of God.

Read Christ's Sermon on the Mount and stop arguing like fool.
Find out :
Who enters the Kingdom of God
Who is it that will see God
Who are called the children of God
Who has the kingdom of Heaven
Who will get the mercy of God
Who has great reward in Heaven.

You are the one that is missing a lot of Christ's teachings. This is why I will continue to say that your doctrine is of the church.