18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneAre all of your beliefs non self serving?
You've supplied another self-serving belief...
We will believe you, don’t be scared.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneI never said God exists to bestow the gift of eternal life to me or anyone else. That is an expression of His love and also an expression of how far short we all fall of His holiness and His standards.
You've supplied another self-serving belief:
"You can’t earn your way into righteousness (right standing with God) or life everlasting. They are gifts from God, given to those who sincerely accept Christ."
God is there to bestow that gift to you. How is that not God serving you?
Your belief that we can earn our way into heaven is an example of human pride.
“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
(Galatians 2:21)
18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009No matter how you slice it, it is still God serving you.
I never said God exists to bestow the gift of eternal life to me or anyone else. That is an expression of His love and also an expression of how far short we all fall of His holiness and His standards.
Your belief that we can earn our way into heaven is an example of human pride.
“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
(Galatians 2:21)
And it flies in the face of the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. You should really consider that.
18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneActually, you have been systematically dismantled and embarrassed across two threads.
Amongst DG, GoaD and Romans; it's really difficult to determine who is the most illogical.
The photo is in: It's a dead heat.
18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThen there's reality again.
Actually, you have been systematically dismantled and embarrassed across two threads.
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18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneMore avoidance of substance by personal insults. Your trolling toolbox seems to be down to one tool.
Amongst DG, GoaD and Romans; it's really difficult to determine who is the most illogical.
The photo is in: It's a dead heat.
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18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneIt’s not God serving me at all. But if you knew the Gospels as well as you claim, you would know Jesus washed the feet of His disciples as one of His last acts.
No matter how you slice it, it is still God serving you.
And it flies in the face of the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. You should really consider that.
Why do you suppose He did that? The answer is in the Bible. Would you like to find it yourself or have me provide it for you?
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18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneAre you ever planning to respond to substantive questions and points that refute your false beliefs that Jesus Christ was only a man and that salvation is by works?
Then there's reality again.
Originally posted by @romans1009I can understand why being lumped in with DG and GoaD would be a insult.
More avoidance of substance by personal insults. Your trolling toolbox seems to be down to one tool.
However, all three of you are remarkably illogical. Not just a illogical, but remarkably so.
18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Let's take a closer look:
It’s not God serving me at all. But if you knew the Gospels as well as you claim, you would know Jesus washed the feet of His disciples as one of His last acts.
Why do you suppose He did that? The answer is in the Bible. Would you like to find it yourself or have me provide it for you?
>>"vicarious atonement": God atones for the sins of the individual - instead of the individual atoning for His sins by actually being righteous, that is ceasing to sin.
>>"imputed righteousness": Christ’s righteousness is imputed to the individual through faith - instead of the individual having to actually be righteous, that is ceasing to sin.
>>"the utter depravity of man": the individual is utterly depraved and therefore incapable of saving himself through his own obedience to God - instead of the individual having to actually be righteous, that is ceasing to sin.
>>"You can’t earn your way into righteousness (right standing with God) or life everlasting. They are gifts from God, given to those who sincerely accept Christ.": Once again instead of the individual having to actually be righteous, that is ceasing to sin.
All of the above serve the individual by alleviating the individual from having to take responsibility for himself.
So how do you explain the fact that you're the one who holds remarkably self-serving beliefs?
18 Feb 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneLogic according to ToO:
I can understand why being lumped in with DG and GoaD would be a insult.
However, all three of you are remarkably illogical. Not just a illogical, but remarkably so.
1. The words of Jesus are reliable.
2. The rest of the Bible is not reliable.
3. It is not logical to ask him why the above 2 points are correct.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeCase closed.
Logic according to ToO:
1. The words of Jesus are reliable.
2. The rest of the Bible is not reliable.
3. It is not logical to ask him why the above 2 points are correct.
18 Feb 18
Okay enough of this nonsense from DG, GoaD and Romans.
Anyone care to directly address the following instead of just pretending that it doesn't exist?:
Luke
43“For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. 44“For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush. 45“The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.
Clearly a good man with the good treasure of his heart would always bring forth what is good and never bring forth what is evil. In short, he would not commit sin.