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Is it posible, kramnik cheating?

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Originally posted by ckoh1965
bosintang, the b & e pawns are not important anymore. There isn't time for white to do anything with them anyway. 43. ... Rg8+ is much stronger. Once white's kingside pawns are finished, black can cause damage with his own kingside pawns.
Yes..I edited my post. I was impatient, watching the next few moves I understand why.

How about my question about 19...Bxd8? Why did Topalov sacrifice the pawn there?

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it is finished... :'(

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Well, now the championship is getting very interesting. Even score and Topalov having white pieces next.

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There will be lots of drama now especailly if Topo wins this thing.

So many excuses that he isn't the true champ if he does win.

The biggest one will be of course the forfeit game point.


I just want who ever to win this thing to win it clearly so that the forfeit game will play no part in the result meaning:


Kram wins or Topo wins by more then 2 points.

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Originally posted by RahimK
There will be lots of drama now especailly if Topo wins this thing.

So many excuses that he isn't the true champ if he does win.

The biggest one will be of course the forfeit game point.


I just want who ever to win this thing to win it clearly so that the forfeit game will play no part in the result meaning:


Kram wins or Topo wins by more then 2 points.
I believe kramnik will be kicking himself from here to eternity in case he loses with one point or less. as he should, as that was an incredibly stupid thing to 'make a point' by sitting at the toilet when he should've been playing. he made his bed, now he's gotta sleep in it.

both of them lost one point for a stupid mistake nobody forced them to do, topalov blundered on the board, kramnik outside of the board. so as far as I see it's pretty much even now. just play the games, and may the best player win.

one thing I'm wondering, is why are these primadonna's given the right to dictate any conditions decade after decade. just make a set of simple rules, organize annual WC contest of some/any kind, and whoever decides not to show up, well, too bad for him.

no more special consideration for anyone, you either show up or you're ignored. same rules for everyone should be as fair as it can get. just like in any other sport. it's not like it's rocket science to get a simple, working and fair system. be it a set of 24 games, 12 + rapid games, or any other way, it's still same rules for everyone. just play the games, you big spoiled crybabies.

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Originally posted by wormwood
I believe kramnik will be kicking himself from here to eternity in case he loses with one point or less. as he should, as that was an incredibly stupid thing to 'make a point' by sitting at the toilet when he should've been playing. he made his bed, now he's gotta sleep in it.

both of them lost one point for a stupid mistake nobody forced them to do, top ...[text shortened]... , it's still same rules for everyone. just play the games, you big spoiled crybabies.
Yes that's what i've been saying.

1 table, 1 clock, 1 board, 2 chairs.

Sit there and play. You aren't here to be pampered.

Rest rooms and private washrooms and all that garbage.

In a way it's good this happened for the news coverage. Take that Fide! It's well over due for a new person to run Fide.

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Originally posted by tmetzler
http://www.chessbase.com/news/2006/elista/savinov20.jpg

That picture disgusts me. It also tells me a few things.

1. Topalov is NO true competitor. No real competitor is overjoyed about winning because of a forfeit. A REAL competitor wants to prove that that they ARE THE BEST, not "the best" because the other player didn't show up.

2. This was one ...[text shortened]...

Kramnik, you might as well go home. There is not a worthy competitor for you in Elista.
1.) Kram the Sham obviously uses Fritz9!

2.) Topalov wasn't wrong!

3.) Topalov just evened the score with a win now that the Fritz9 fact is out in the air!

Oh, and do you think the Kramnik team will risk using it now - especially after Topalov's suspicions? I think not. Kramnik has only won two games outright. The second win was 87% Fritz9 moves, I believe? Give me a break!

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Originally posted by powershaker
1.) Kram the Sham obviously uses Fritz9!

2.) Topalov wasn't wrong!

3.) Topalov just evened the score with a win now that the Fritz9 fact is out in the air!

Oh, and do you think the Kramnik team will risk using it now - especially after Topalov's suspicions? I think not. Kramnik has only won two games outright. The second win was 87% Fritz9 moves, I believe? Give me a break!
Topalov admited he was wrong. Dont you keep up to date with events?

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Originally posted by ivanhoe
Who's talking about morals ? This is chess at the highest level ... as it always has been. This is about money and powerpolitics ..... this is business.
At least you understand the truth, ivanhoe! At least someone does!

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Originally posted by Bedlam
Topalov admited he was wrong. Dont you keep up to date with events?
Oh, thanks for telling me. He's just trying to save Kramnik some embarrassment. That's the kind of guy Topy is.

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Originally posted by RahimK
There will be lots of drama now especailly if Topo wins this thing.

So many excuses that he isn't the true champ if he does win.

The biggest one will be of course the forfeit game point.


I just want who ever to win this thing to win it clearly so that the forfeit game will play no part in the result meaning:


Kram wins or Topo wins by more then 2 points.
Yeah, me too!

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Originally posted by powershaker
Oh, thanks for telling me. He's just trying to save Kramnik some embarrassment. That's the kind of guy Topy is.
Really, have you ever spoken to Topalov? Why do you think you know what kind of guy he is?

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
Could you present some details regarding how you perform this analysis, and how it compares to the process Danailov appears to employ?
For obvious reasons I'm not going to give those details, other than the fact that the process is automated, and there is no subjectivity or selectivity involved in the determination of a match. I can give the 1st choice engine match-up stats I got for each player in games 1-6, compared to Danialov's claims.

1. Kramnik 62.7% (Danailov claims 63% ) Topolov 61.2%
2. Topolov 46.8% Kramnik 72.9% (Danailov claims 87% )
3. Kramnik 63.0% (Danailov claims 86% ) Topolov 71.4%
4. Topolov 47.6% Kramnik 43.9% (Danailov claims 75% )
6. Topolov 66.7% Kramnik 57.1% (Danailov claims 78% )

Thus, out of 5 games 78% of GM Kramnik’s moves match with the first line of Fritz9 - Silvio Danailov

My match-up stats gave 60.8%. Fairly high, but not significantly so.

Why would these numbers be so different? Because the "first line of Fritz9" can vary considerably as calculation depth increases. So just stop the "thinking" process when you have a match, and you will certainly end up with a far higher statistic... and the temption to do that must be quite large if you have a vested interest and are desperate to "prove" your point.

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