05 Oct 22
Does that make me a traitor? Peacemaker die?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/greenwald-no-one-talks-about-ending-ukraine-war-fear-being-labeled-traitor
Isn't it about time grown ups talk about how we can end the war instead of risking WW3? Is avoiding a nuclear war unacceptable to the Putin haters? Hyperinflation to pay for WW3 is better?
Here in the USA we have a crumbling infrastructure and we are building military weapons to give to Ukraine instead. Our priority seems to be destroying wealth. Think about it.
@metal-brain saidThat ship sailed three weeks into the conflict.
Does that make me a traitor? Peacemaker die?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/greenwald-no-one-talks-about-ending-ukraine-war-fear-being-labeled-traitor
Isn't it about time grown ups talk about how we can end the war instead of risking WW3? Is avoiding a nuclear war unacceptable to the Putin haters? Hyperinflation to pay for WW3 is better?
Here in the USA we ...[text shortened]... tary weapons to give to Ukraine instead. Our priority seems to be destroying wealth. Think about it.
The dice have been rolled, the West’s pumped billions onto the gambling table and now we just have to sit back and wait for Putin’s responses.
The first had been the annexation of 4 areas.
I’m sure any further escalation by Putin will be along similar rational lines.
Bought your Iodine yet?
05 Oct 22
@shavixmir
And the barbarian Putin is very ill, probably cancer, he has to read pages with words so big a page only holds one sentence. He has been seen wobbling while walking.
He might start using nukes as he dies. He knows if that happens he would not care what happens to the world. The only question is would his generals actually go through with such an inhumane attack for nothing but spite? Anything he nukes would make an entire area uninhabitable even if it was only one AND the repercussions might be the radiation cloud going back to Russia in the wind, even if there was only one bomb let loose.
05 Oct 22
@sonhouse saidBut you are worried about climate change instead. Hey, can't a nuclear war cause climate change? I guess you are not worried about climate change after all.
@shavixmir
And the barbarian Putin is very ill, probably cancer, he has to read pages with words so big a page only holds one sentence. He has been seen wobbling while walking.
He might start using nukes as he dies. He knows if that happens he would not care what happens to the world. The only question is would his generals actually go through with such an inhumane attack ...[text shortened]... be the radiation cloud going back to Russia in the wind, even if there was only one bomb let loose.
Funny how democrats all of the sudden are not concerned about the environment.
I guess a peace deal is not worth saving the environment. Democrats have other priorities, like WW3 and nuclear Armageddon. Did you bump your head? You are betraying your own idealism. All over one man?
What is wrong with brokering an end to the war? Is peace treasonous now?
05 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidYou mean a peace deal is not an option? Why not?
That ship sailed three weeks into the conflict.
The dice have been rolled, the West’s pumped billions onto the gambling table and now we just have to sit back and wait for Putin’s responses.
The first had been the annexation of 4 areas.
I’m sure any further escalation by Putin will be along similar rational lines.
Bought your Iodine yet?
Is it because you already bought your iodine pills?
05 Oct 22
@sonhouse saidSaner people than Putin will make sure there is not a nuclear exchange with the West. He’s going to fall down stairs before it comes to launching nukes.
@shavixmir
And the barbarian Putin is very ill, probably cancer, he has to read pages with words so big a page only holds one sentence. He has been seen wobbling while walking.
He might start using nukes as he dies. He knows if that happens he would not care what happens to the world. The only question is would his generals actually go through with such an inhumane attack ...[text shortened]... be the radiation cloud going back to Russia in the wind, even if there was only one bomb let loose.
05 Oct 22
@moonbus saidAre you claiming Putin is incapable of launching a nuke or multiple nukes?
Saner people than Putin will make sure there is not a nuclear exchange with the West. He’s going to fall down stairs before it comes to launching nukes.
The US government has already stated that if Russia uses even one tactical nuke in Ukraine it will essentially become WW3 because the USA will get into in a direct war with Russia.
Unless NATO is not obligated to get involved. After all, it will be a choice for the USA to go to war with Russia. Russia is at war with Ukraine. Unless the west wants to admit they are at war with Russia too why would they have the right? They cannot say a NATO country was attacked. Ukraine is not in NATO. Is that why Ukraine asked for fast track NATO membership recently? So NATO can go to war with Russia directly?
@metal-brain saidHaha Putin must be losing big time.
Does that make me a traitor? Peacemaker die?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/greenwald-no-one-talks-about-ending-ukraine-war-fear-being-labeled-traitor
Isn't it about time grown ups talk about how we can end the war instead of risking WW3? Is avoiding a nuclear war unacceptable to the Putin haters? Hyperinflation to pay for WW3 is better?
Here in the USA we ...[text shortened]... tary weapons to give to Ukraine instead. Our priority seems to be destroying wealth. Think about it.
Putin out of Ukraine, something may be negotiable regarding Crimea. And Ukraine has full autonomy regarding its foreign policy, defence and trading arrangements.
Oh and a ‘Ukraine Tax’ on future Russian carbon exports to EU / Europe to help rebuild Ukraine.
05 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidIt doesn’t matter how much gas Germany gets or wether it stands or crumbles. This has gone way beyond sanctions and energy supplies. Do you think the US, UK and a dozen other countries are going to stop arming Ukraine because Germany gets cold feet and worries about its BMW and Mercedes production lines.
@kevcvs57
Not really. Russia is waiting for winter. The USA cannot supply Germany with their NG needs and people will have cold homes. Germany might buckle and want NG from Russia.
05 Oct 22
@kevcvs57
No, because they don't care how many people die in Ukraine. Global domination is more important to the western empire than human life. To them human life is the cheapest thing in the world. There is an ample supply of people with less demand for them and are easy to replace.
Why are you so opposed to a peace deal being negotiated? During the pandemic you pretended that human life meant something to you. Now you want more people to die in a war that could have been prevented. Is dying from bullets and bombs better than dying from covid?
You don't seem to care about human life anymore. Did you ever care?
@metal-brain saidOh I care that’s why I’m not a pro Putin fascist scumbag like you.
@kevcvs57
No, because they don't care how many people die in Ukraine. Global domination is more important to the western empire than human life. To them human life is the cheapest thing in the world. There is an ample supply of people with less demand for them and are easy to replace.
Why are you so opposed to a peace deal being negotiated? During the pandemic you pr ...[text shortened]... etter than dying from covid?
You don't seem to care about human life anymore. Did you ever care?
That’s why I want the murdering Russian army back within its own borders for the long term and not just a respite while it retrains and rearms to renew its westward advance through Ukraine and beyond.
Russia is either a friendly competitor in Europe or it’s a sworn enemy and must be viewed as such. It’s proven time and time again it’s ready to use extreme disgusting violence to carve out a European empire, this time the knife stays at its throat until it evolves beyond a tsarist imperial entity.
It will have to either accept equality with its neighbours or live with the guns of a continent and its democratic allies pointed at its head
05 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidNo, I'm not saying Putin is not capable of ordering a nuclear first strike; however, I think saner people in Russia would refuse to launch a nuclear first strike even if Putin ordered it.
Are you claiming Putin is incapable of launching a nuke or multiple nukes?
The US government has already stated that if Russia uses even one tactical nuke in Ukraine it will essentially become WW3 because the USA will get into in a direct war with Russia.
Unless NATO is not obligated to get involved. After all, it will be a choice for the USA to go to war with Russia ...[text shortened]... y Ukraine asked for fast track NATO membership recently? So NATO can go to war with Russia directly?
Nothing says America (or any other nuclear country, for that matter) cannot use nuclear weapons in retaliation for a Russian nuclear strike against a non-NATO country. It's an option, not an obligation, in the case of a non-NATO country under nuclear attack. That is precisely why I think saner people in Russia wouldn't risk a first strike against Ukraine. His underlings would sooner push Putin down stairs* than risk a nuclear exchange with several Western powers.
* That's a metaphor for arranging his removal from power by an apparently accidental death if he won't relinquish power voluntarily.
05 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidAnd your lying your propaganda based face off as usual.
@kevcvs57
The very fact that you are calling a socialist a fascist shows how stupid you are.
NATO invaded Serbia and annexed Kosovo. That is no different than what Russia did in Ukraine.
Putin a socialist yeah ok mastermind 🙄