Witness Lee and the Lord's Recovery Movement

I better repeat because Divegeester may have already forgotten.

I have no dispute with that website. I think it is quite well written for the length and conciseness required. And it serves the purpose of speaking on behalf of the local churches.

I have no major disagreement with what the authors wrote there. It is quite adequate as a brief introduction to the Lord's recovery.

Anyone who needs further clarification and is not prejudiced like yourself, can EASILY do further research to hone in a little more on some aspect of what was written there.

What you have just read above is repetition of my position stated over approximately two years ago - 2017 or even earlier.

@sonship said
@divegeester

I have no dispute with that website. I think it is quite well written for the length and conciseness required. And it serves the purpose of speaking on behalf of the local churches.

I have no major disagreement with what the authors wrote there. It is quite adequate as a brief introduction to the Lord's recovery.

Anyone who needs further clarification ...[text shortened]... d above is repetition of my position stated over approximately two years ago - 2017 or even earlier.

@divegeester

Besides, considering the answer only requires as a minimum, a “yes” or a “no”, it is still highly interesting that you won’t answer.

But of the Son, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, ..." therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of exultant joy above Your partners? (See Hebrews 1:8-9)

@divegeester

Do you agree that in order to be saved a person MUST believe in the doctrine of the trinity?

CONCERNING SALVATION

In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible calls the “common faith” (Titus 1:4), which includes what we must believe in order to be saved: we must believe that the Bible is the complete divine revelation wholly inspired by God; that there is a unique Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit; that Jesus Christ is the Son of God incarnated to be a man; that Christ died on the cross for our sins, shedding His blood for our redemption; that on the third day He was bodily raised from the dead; that He has been exalted to the right hand of God and made the Lord of all; and that He is coming again for His own and to set up His kingdom on earth.

Eternal salvation is by grace through faith, not by our works.

In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.

And this too is me repeating what I wrote a long time ago.

I do not believe that the writers meant that a brand new believer is instantly conversant doctrinally on all of these aspects of salvation. I do not believe that the authors intended that each person that calls upon Christ to be saved must be EXAMINED that they are fully conversant on each of these matters BEFORE we could receive them as Christian brothers and sisters.

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In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible calls the “common faith” (Titus 1:4), which includes what we must believe in order to be saved: we must believe that the Bible is the complete divine revelation wholly inspired by God; that there is a unique Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit; that Jesus Christ is the Son of God incarnated to be a man; that Christ died on the cross for our sins, shedding His blood for our redemption; that on the third day He was bodily raised from the dead; that He has been exalted to the right hand of God and made the Lord of all; and that He is coming again for His own and to set up His kingdom on earth.
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A brand new saved person may not be totally doctrinally conversant on EVERY aspect from day one of their being regenerated. And I have no problem with the way the authors worded this paragraph given that understanding.

What again did the authors say we emphasize concerning salvation?

In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.

@sonship said
@divegeester

Do you agree that in order to be saved a person MUST believe in the doctrine of the trinity?

One may agree with the doctrine and not receive Christ.
To be saved you must receive Christ.

@sonship said
What again did the authors say we emphasize concerning salvation?

In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.

@divegeester

Why won’t you answer the question?

Is it because you are under cultish pressure to not disagree with your church?

@divegeester

The local church, which I think is a cult and there is much evidence of that and witnesses to that, states that in belief in the doctrine of the trinity is a MUST for salvation.

In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible calls the “common faith” (Titus 1:4), which includes what we must believe in order to be saved: we must believe that the Bible is the complete divine revelation wholly inspired by God; that there is a unique Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit; that Jesus Christ is the Son of God incarnated to be a man; that Christ died on the cross for our sins, shedding His blood for our redemption; that on the third day He was bodily raised from the dead; that He has been exalted to the right hand of God and made the Lord of all; and that He is coming again for His own and to set up His kingdom on earth.

@divegeester

Do you agree that in order to be saved a person MUST believe in the doctrine of the trinity?

"Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also." (1 John 2:23)

@sonship said
@divegeester

Why won’t you answer the question?

Is it because you are under cultish pressure to not disagree with your church?

What kind of cultish pressure ?

@sonship said
@divegeester

Do you agree that in order to be saved a person MUST believe in the doctrine of the trinity?

I believe anyone who receives the Lord Jesus Christ has received the Triune God.And that whether he likes it or not.

@divegeester

The kind of pressure that causes a highly religious person who is entrenched in the dogma and superiority of their own church group to become embarrassingly furtive when asked simple but laser focused questions regarding a doctrine of their church which they disagree with.

That kind of cultish pressure.

@divegeester

Your continued furtiveness and avoidance of my question is noted with increasing interest.