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@chaney3 saidNo.
Is the assumption here that while Jesus was on earth He was 100% human?
@chaney3 saidNo.
Is the assumption here that while Jesus was on earth He was 100% human?
@chaney3 saidI don't think suffering some pain is much in the way of a sacrifice, indeed does it really involve giving up anything at all?
Whether or not He felt the pain would determine the argument that His beating and crucifixion was the sacrifice.
@fmf saidI would assume that most Christians believe that the beating and crucifixion of Jesus, especially as portrayed in "Passion of the Christ", was the sacrifice.
I don't think suffering some pain is much in the way of a sacrifice, indeed does it really involve giving up anything at all?
Is the pain of childbirth a sacrifice? No, I wouldn't say so. It's suffering, but it isn't sacrificial.
Is dying in the act of childbirth knowingly, so that a baby can be born and live a sacrifice? Yes.
@fmf saidYou’re not grasping the answer, it has been answered.
This screed of yours about guilt, shame, and "sin" does not address the question. If the divine Jesus ~ who has always existed and always will ~ supposedly went back to being God again after dying ~ and was never "not God" during his years of being God incarnate on Earth ~ what exactly did he sacrifice?
@fmf saidHis holiness when He became sin.
You think I am evil and that I should feel guilt and shame. Got it.
So, If the divine Jesus went back to being God again after dying ~ and was never "not God" during his years of being God incarnate on Earth ~ what exactly did he sacrifice?
@kellyjay saidWas he "evil" then while he supposedly walked the Earth? Is he not "holy" anymore? Did he lose it? Where is the sacrifice?
His holiness when He became sin.
@mike69 saidNope. I grasp the theology just fine. I am familiar with it, of course. But you merely trotting it out is not answering the question. The sensical quality of your ideology is being called to question. Taking a leaf out of KellyJay's book and saying "you're not grasping it, you're not grasping it, you're not grasping it, you're not grasping it... " over and over again amounts to a kind of evasion.
You’re not grasping the answer, it has been answered.
@chaney3 saidWell, I am not Christian, and if their stance amounts to 'We believe it was a sacrifice because we believe it was a sacrifice, then that is a matter for them.
I would assume that most Christians believe that the beating and crucifixion of Jesus, especially as portrayed in "Passion of the Christ", was the sacrifice.
@chaney3 saidOf course, it is an interesting question.
If He was God before, during, and after, as posed in your OP, it is an interesting question.
@fmf saidNever said it before, see you do it all the time. Are you never wrong, or not understand something, ever?
Nope. I grasp the theology just fine. I am familiar with it, of course. But you merely trotting it out is not answering the question. The sensical quality of your ideology is being called to question. Taking a leaf out of KellyJay's book and saying "you're not grasping it, you're not grasping it, you're not grasping it, you're not grasping it... " over and over again amounts to a kind of evasion.
@fmf saidFor one who claims to be familiar with the faith how is it you are forever asking the most basic of questions? He was punished for all of our transgressions, He took on all of our punishments. The debt is paid in full in Christ, and you call that wrong, the goodness of God’s mercy on our behalf. The greatest act of love you shun and belittle, every good thing He has done for you, you are not thankful but hold His kindness in distain, rejecting Him to His face.
Was he "evil" then while he supposedly walked the Earth? Is he not "holy" anymore? Did he lose it? Where is the sacrifice?
@kellyjay saidI am asking you to explain YOUR beliefs and, as you so often do, you deflect by somehow appealing to what I believed over two decades ago. Why are you so feeble? Doesn't your faith give you strength and courage?
For one who claims to be familiar with the faith how is it you are forever asking the most basic of questions?
@kellyjay saidWhat have I called "wrong", KellyJay?
He was punished for all of our transgressions, He took on all of our punishments. The debt is paid in full in Christ, and you call that wrong, the goodness of God’s mercy on our behalf.
@kellyjay saidI have no credible reason to believe this "greatest act of love" happened. How can I be "thankful" for it? Hello, KellyJay. I am a non-believer. Have we not met and talked before?
The greatest act of love you shun and belittle, every good thing He has done for you, you are not thankful but hold His kindness in distain, rejecting Him to His face.
@fmf saidYes, yes, yes, and when that is done you just spout you understand them and do
I am asking you to explain YOUR beliefs and, as you so often do, you deflect by somehow appealing to what I believed over two decades ago. Why are you so feeble? Doesn't your faith give you strength and courage?