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10 people executed in Saudi (the hub and spiritual engine of Islam) in the last two weeks. On Monday this poor woman was dragged screaming through the street in Mecca and publically beheaded for allegedly sexually abusing and murdering her step-daughter. Yeah, sure, as though it was her who did it. She was found guilty under Shiara law.
http://shoebat.com/2015/01/15/video-woman-gets-beheaded-middle-street-right-public-view/
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Originally posted by twhiteheadI think his point is that execution doesn't rhyme well with peaceful practices. The US never claimed to be a country of peace. In fact, as a nation they seem to take pride in waging wars and pillaging natural resources. 🙄
How many were executed in the US in the last year?
Originally posted by divegeester1. I oppose the death sentence.
10 people executed in Saudi (the hub and spiritual engine of Islam) in the last two weeks. On Monday this poor woman was dragged screaming through the street in Mecca and publically beheaded for allegedly sexually abusing and murdering her step-daughter. Yeah, sure, as though it was her who did it. She was found guilty under Shiara law.
http://shoebat.com/2015/01/15/video-woman-gets-beheaded-middle-street-right-public-view/
2. I don't differentiate between the method used, i.e. I don't particularly think beheading is any better or worse than other methods, and I am unimpressed by the (perhaps physiologically true) assertion that it is more "humane" than other ways of executing people.
3. I think public executions are grotesque and pornographic, so to speak, although if you are going to execute people, I'm not sure why it should be done in private or secret; I don't think it sanitizes it at all.
4. That she may have not committed the crime is one of the reasons why I think No.1 above.
5. The list of crimes that one can be executed for in that country boggles my mind.
6. The aspect of Saudi culture that allows powerful men to do what they did in that video to a fellow citizen is ghastly and backward, to my way of thinking.
17 Jan 15
Originally posted by divegeesterOh of course you don't wan't to address my point, because you know it will make you look bad.
Oh of course, that makes it ok doesn't it?
You seem to be claiming that capital punishment is not typical in a peaceful society. So, tell us whether you think the US is a peaceful society and whether or not they have capital punishment.
If I have interpreted your OP wrong, then explain where I have got it wrong and what you really wanted to say. I dislike it when people try to keep everything they want to say in implied speech rather than openly stating their case because they know their case is on shaky ground.
17 Jan 15
Originally posted by C HessPresumably the Saudi view would be that, if there were no armed robbery, drug-related offences, sorcery, adultery, murder, rape and apostasy from Islam (etc.), either [1] in accordance with their religion, or [2] because you kill everybody who does those things, then you would have peace.
I think his point is that execution doesn't rhyme well with peaceful practices. The US never claimed to be a country of peace. In fact, as a nation they seem to take pride in waging wars and pillaging natural resources. 🙄
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Originally posted by FMFBy that standard any ideology would be considered peaceful.
Presumably the Saudi view would be that, if there were no armed robbery, drug-related offences, sorcery, adultery, murder, rape and apostasy from Islam (etc.), either [1] in accordance with their religion, or [2] because you kill everybody who does those things, then you would have peace.
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-death-row-inmates-executed-1976
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/death-penalty-study-4-percent-defendants-innocent
Only about 56 innocent people executed. 2,054 victims from those executed.
http://www.census.gov/popclock/
So we could've been at a population of about 8 billion+ by now.
http://www.numberofabortions.com
With blacks being among 15% of US population 30 out of 100 abortions are blacks. So instead of having a population of 50 million we could population of 65 million blacks.
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Originally posted by RBHILL
With blacks being among 15% of US population 30 out of 100 abortions are blacks. So instead of having a population of 50 million we could population of 65 million blacks.
I cannot help but feel an ironic twist fate an poetic justice awaits the world. The pigmentation of darker skin aids in preventing damage of harmful rays of light from the sun.
If the Ozone layer is destroyed by man's technology and the cases of skin cancer run wild throughout the light skinned population, everyone is going to want to have dark skin.
17 Jan 15
Originally posted by divegeesterI think that the death penalty in Saudi has more to do with a corrupt medieval state than religion. One, it has to be said, that the West is perfectly happy to prop up. If they were Christian they would be justifying their judicial practices on the basis of the contents of Leviticus rather than the Koran.
10 people executed in Saudi (the hub and spiritual engine of Islam) in the last two weeks. On Monday this poor woman was dragged screaming through the street in Mecca and publically beheaded for allegedly sexually abusing and murdering her step-daughter. Yeah, sure, as though it was her who did it. She was found guilty under Shiara law.
http://shoebat.com/2015/01/15/video-woman-gets-beheaded-middle-street-right-public-view/
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Originally posted by twhiteheadHello twhitehead let me try to explain; and before you read the rest of this post please be aware that I am completely calm and completely sober. Here is my un-moderated response:
Oh of course you don't wan't to address my point, because you know it will make you look bad.
You seem to be claiming that capital punishment is not typical in a peaceful society. So, tell us whether you think the US is a peaceful society and whether or not they have capital punishment.
If I have interpreted your OP wrong, then explain where I have ...[text shortened]... ed speech rather than openly stating their case because they know their case is on shaky ground.
I don't address your point because I think it and you, are intellectually pretentious. Frequently when I engage with you I find you levering your admittedly strong intellect to deliberately make a "look how balanced I am point". I find you to be a pretentious prick frankly and if you don't like my tone or language then I'll refer you to the debates forum (where you'll find lots of offensive repartee) in the same way you are referring me to the US as your "balanced" perspective on what goes on in Saudi. One does not justify the other in outcome, but that does not excuse the process differentiation.
Here is my moderated response:
That you are unable to recognise the difference between Saudi and the US in terms of their legalistic, religious and morally reprehensible approach to crime and punishment is something you should address as a matter of urgency.
PS: 🙂
PPS: I admit that I'm a little upset by this event.
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Originally posted by FMFI agree with all your points.
1. I oppose the death sentence.
2. I don't differentiate between the method used, i.e. I don't particularly think beheading is any better or worse than other methods, and I am unimpressed by the (perhaps physiologically true) assertion that it is more "humane" than other ways of executing people.
3. I think public executions are grotesque and pornographic, ...[text shortened]... what they did in that video to a fellow citizen is ghastly and backward, to my way of thinking.
Saudi is not governed by a bunch of cave-dwelling extremists who kidnap innocent people and murder them; this video is representative of the "everyday" in this hyper-wealthy regime where the ruling class hog virtually all the wealth an the religious aristocracy are the thought-leadership hub and spiritual engine of the Islamic religion for millions of Muslims around the world.
As you say, seeing these "powerful men" surrounding this poor woman as she pleads her innocence to last moment is truly horrible and while we often want to protect our sensibilities from the viewing of some internet horror - I feel this video is something everyone should watch; I admired that she shouted at them to her last moment "I will not forgive you, I will not forgive you". Clearly referring to the next life.